Trample Vs Non trample - Lancers

Durokan · Post by **Durokan** » 23 Jun 2015, 18:44

In age 3 with a lancer mass (20+), while I am on top of my opponents vet musks, do I use trample or not use trample? I can encircle my opponents forces so he cannot run away, removing the movespeed penalty of using trample effectively. It can be assumed that I have sent atleast one of the following: Caballeros/Hand Cavalry Combat/ Hand Cavalry Attack. From using trample on my lancers, I can tell that it kills my opponent quickly. However, It also kills my units quickly due to how fast I am doing damage. My question is if it is more cost efficient to use trample over standard hand attack if the opponent can be kept in range. Personally I would guess it is, because the faster my opponent dies the less time he has to melee my cav with his musks. When would I use trample, when would I not use it?

For an example of how i use my lancers, skip to around 11:11 and 15:15

iNcog · Post by **iNcog** » 23 Jun 2015, 18:46

I think trample should never be used, could be wrong though

Durokan · Post by **Durokan** » 23 Jun 2015, 18:52

incog wrote:I think trample should never be used, could be wrong though

would you mind looking at that rec? just skip to where i annotated the trample usage

yemshi · Post by **yemshi** » 23 Jun 2015, 19:18

lol, that was just... wow. ( I really love how y ou send eco cards when you dont need to ship units btw, though unsure about the galeon' frigate. But that's not the part here)

I don't know we'd need to test this with and without trample i guess, but I think we have the same result without trample. But who am I to say this?

macacoalbino · Post by **macacoalbino** » 23 Jun 2015, 19:50

you can use it, but you'll be taking more damage as well (I believe 2x). Most people say it's not worth it overall, and the only time it could be worth it is quick switching to trample to kill a bunch of 1hp minutemen. I have never tested it though

zoom · Post by **zoom** » 24 Jun 2015, 08:10

It might be worth it if you won't risk losing the fight BY taking additional damage, and are able to heal your units before their next action. Otherwise, no' never.

drumal · Post by **drumal** » 24 Jun 2015, 10:48

on gold mine with bunch of vills on it ?

yemshi · Post by **yemshi** » 24 Jun 2015, 15:34

Do you get 6 area with spahis?
I tried it with scenario editor but idk still.

Post by **edeholland** » 24 Jun 2015, 15:46

You get 2 area with spahi and cuirs. LESS than normal.

yemshi · Post by **yemshi** » 24 Jun 2015, 15:49

lol.
I just imagine 5 spahis with 6 area each <3

macacoalbino · Post by **macacoalbino** » 24 Jun 2015, 16:14

I know that trample mode diminishes cav speed also, but does it affect the ROF as well?

Durokan · Post by **Durokan** » 24 Jun 2015, 16:28

macacoalbino wrote:I know that trample mode diminishes cav speed also, but does it affect the ROF as well?

not for lancers at the very least, id assume no for all cav

yemshi · Post by **yemshi** » 24 Jun 2015, 16:43

Have you guys ever seen Cuirs and Trample mode?
They look like as if they are trying to get a girl but not suceeding. There are no women in the French community. (looking for a better word, help me)

EDIT: you can rescue settlers. I remembered this video of GS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrm_CkTjhvg 47:42

momuuu · Post by **momuuu** » 24 Jun 2015, 17:16

yemshi wrote:Have you guys ever seen Cuirs and Trample mode?
They look like as if they are trying to get a girl but not suceeding. There are no women in the French community. (looking for a better word, help me)

EDIT: you can rescue settlers. I remembered this video of GS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrm_CkTjhvg 47:42

The voice is even more sexy when gs tries to imitate it

yemshi · Post by **yemshi** » 24 Jun 2015, 17:24

There are many voices which are sexy.

Though maybe a little bit offtopic, forgive me, do you know how are german fishing boat sounds? Or a Jat Lancer? Imams/Priests? French fishing boat? a ottoman grenadier? Tashunke Prowlers? Rams? Mantlets? Dutch Explorer?

That Guy · Post by **That Guy** » 09 Feb 2016, 02:31

Trample is amazing, If you attack heavy infantry head on and turn on trample doing area damage but taking more damage aswell it will usually be a loss...to use trample the right way or at least the successful way, you attack with heavy infantry and hold the enemy, or with any unit for that matter, then you charge in at any direction as it doesnt matter with the mechanics anyway, you then switch to trample mode doing *area damage, but instead of a loss you could lose all your cavalry or some but the point is overall each enemy soldier takes less health to kill, instead of 4 musket shots for 1 man, it takes 2-3 for any units in the affected area, or you can fight with heavy infantry let them die fighting then charge cavalry and trample, with most units injured you might kill 3-4 men with a trample per second, its the area affect that matters and how you use it, by itself they are vulnerable but in conjuction with other units they slaughter...they are like the samurai, they have a great area affect damage wounding everyone around them but at the end of the day they cant get pasted massed guns, they are perfect for a last ditch effort or a first attack to weaken either way its not good by itself as guns make melee useless most of the time.

sdsanft · Post by **sdsanft** » 09 Feb 2016, 02:43

I only use trample when I've trapped his villagers with my cav.

iCourt · Post by **iCourt** » 09 Feb 2016, 06:22

It's a broken unit tactic and I'd be up for completely revamping it or just simply removing it. Won't happen, but it just drives me nuts as it is a broken mechanic, and hurts the game overall from a designer stand point. It adds nothing to the game and is effective in maybe 2 situations. Killing 1 hp minute men, and using against villagers with Hackapells.

Post by **_H2O** » 09 Feb 2016, 08:25

dont use trample mode ever

Rikikipu · Post by **Rikikipu** » 09 Feb 2016, 15:18

Only use trample mode with jat lancers which is the main feature of this unit. Otherwise, never use it.

Durokan · Post by **Durokan** » 09 Feb 2016, 19:54

this was necroed from so long ago....

Post by **n0el** » 09 Feb 2016, 19:58

1 hp Minutemen. Trample is ok.

Mimsy for President · Post by **Mimsy for President** » 10 Feb 2016, 01:53

It should be fixed then. Imagine if used properly like cover mode is used for melee units *_*

iCourt · Post by **iCourt** » 10 Feb 2016, 05:40

It'd require reworking it entirely, and coming up with ideas on how it should work with units that already have area damage, while all at the same time not effecting balance or current game meta.... Sigh... It's just a broken tool and should have been removed or revamped long ago.

iNcog · Post by **iNcog** » 10 Feb 2016, 09:58

Even vs 1 hp minutes, you have 6 of them at most. if you have only one hussar then you shouldn't fight. If you have several hussar than just manually split them up. Or if you're really smart use the explorer.

Several ways to skin the cat here but I'm not sure that trample is one of them.

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