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duckzilla wrote:As far as I understood it, heavy cannons are only affected by the team card Engineering School and even there only by 5% instead of the full 20%. This is also true for the other cards which reduce artillery train time. They always have a weaker effect (10%) for heavy cannons/bombards/congreve rockets.
This is mainly because a train time reduction to heavy cannons is effectively a cost reduction to it.

Let's do some calculation: A heavy cannon takes 115 seconds to train at the factory. This is an equivalent of ~822 ressources which could have been produced by the factory in the same time. The train time can be reduced by a factory upgrade (-25%), the standard faster artillery train cards (-10%) and the chinese team cards (-5%) to a total of -40% which yields a train time 69 seconds per unit or an equivalent cost of ~493 ressources.

In your case, you should be able to stack the team card and the factory upgrade for a total of -30% train time.

(not sure whether mass production has any effect on heavy cannon)

duckzilla wrote:As far as I understood it, heavy cannons are only affected by the team card Engineering School and even there only by 5% instead of the full 20%

(not sure whether mass production has any effect on heavy cannon)

airgorden wrote:

duckzilla wrote:As far as I understood it, heavy cannons are only affected by the team card Engineering School and even there only by 5% instead of the full 20%. This is also true for the other cards which reduce artillery train time. They always have a weaker effect (10%) for heavy cannons/bombards/congreve rockets.
This is mainly because a train time reduction to heavy cannons is effectively a cost reduction to it.

Let's do some calculation: A heavy cannon takes 115 seconds to train at the factory. This is an equivalent of ~822 ressources which could have been produced by the factory in the same time. The train time can be reduced by a factory upgrade (-25%), the standard faster artillery train cards (-10%) and the chinese team cards (-5%) to a total of -40% which yields a train time 69 seconds per unit or an equivalent cost of ~493 ressources.

In your case, you should be able to stack the team card and the factory upgrade for a total of -30% train time.

(not sure whether mass production has any effect on heavy cannon)

Thanks for this. And you are correct. I just got to try it in game and only the 25% from Mass Production and 5% percent from Team Engineering School. So Acupucture doesn't effect the heavy cannon train time which is a bit sad considering it does lower the Flying Crow from the wonder. Kinda wish China was simply able to produce the flying crow from the factory but I guess it would be OP .

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airgorden wrote:

duckzilla wrote:As far as I understood it, heavy cannons are only affected by the team card Engineering School and even there only by 5% instead of the full 20%. This is also true for the other cards which reduce artillery train time. They always have a weaker effect (10%) for heavy cannons/bombards/congreve rockets.
This is mainly because a train time reduction to heavy cannons is effectively a cost reduction to it.

Let's do some calculation: A heavy cannon takes 115 seconds to train at the factory. This is an equivalent of ~822 ressources which could have been produced by the factory in the same time. The train time can be reduced by a factory upgrade (-25%), the standard faster artillery train cards (-10%) and the chinese team cards (-5%) to a total of -40% which yields a train time 69 seconds per unit or an equivalent cost of ~493 ressources.

In your case, you should be able to stack the team card and the factory upgrade for a total of -30% train time.

(not sure whether mass production has any effect on heavy cannon)

Thanks for this. And you are correct. I just got to try it in game and only the 25% from Mass Production and 5% percent from Team Engineering School. So Acupucture doesn't effect the heavy cannon train time which is a bit sad considering it does lower the Flying Crow from the wonder. Kinda wish China was simply able to produce the flying crow from the factory but I guess it would be OP .

Completely wrong. Acupuncture does affect Heavy Cannon train time but not the Flying Crows from the Confucian Academy. Please see my above post for more facts relating to your question.

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duckzilla wrote:As far as I understood it, heavy cannons are only affected by the team card Engineering School and even there only by 5% instead of the full 20%. This is also true for the other cards which reduce artillery train time. They always have a weaker effect (10%) for heavy cannons/bombards/congreve rockets.
This is mainly because a train time reduction to heavy cannons is effectively a cost reduction to it.

Let's do some calculation: A heavy cannon takes 115 seconds to train at the factory. This is an equivalent of ~822 ressources which could have been produced by the factory in the same time. The train time can be reduced by a factory upgrade (-25%), the standard faster artillery train cards (-10%) and the chinese team cards (-5%) to a total of -40% which yields a train time 69 seconds per unit or an equivalent cost of ~493 ressources.

In your case, you should be able to stack the team card and the factory upgrade for a total of -30% train time.

(not sure whether mass production has any effect on heavy cannon)

Thanks for this. And you are correct. I just got to try it in game and only the 25% from Mass Production and 5% percent from Team Engineering School. So Acupucture doesn't effect the heavy cannon train time which is a bit sad considering it does lower the Flying Crow from the wonder. Kinda wish China was simply able to produce the flying crow from the factory but I guess it would be OP .

Completely wrong. Acupuncture does affect Heavy Cannon train time but not the Flying Crows from the Confucian Academy. Please see my above post for more facts relating to your question.

You are wrong Im on the game right now

zoom wrote:

airgorden wrote:

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airgorden wrote:

duckzilla wrote:As far as I understood it, heavy cannons are only affected by the team card Engineering School and even there only by 5% instead of the full 20%. This is also true for the other cards which reduce artillery train time. They always have a weaker effect (10%) for heavy cannons/bombards/congreve rockets.
This is mainly because a train time reduction to heavy cannons is effectively a cost reduction to it.

Let's do some calculation: A heavy cannon takes 115 seconds to train at the factory. This is an equivalent of ~822 ressources which could have been produced by the factory in the same time. The train time can be reduced by a factory upgrade (-25%), the standard faster artillery train cards (-10%) and the chinese team cards (-5%) to a total of -40% which yields a train time 69 seconds per unit or an equivalent cost of ~493 ressources.

In your case, you should be able to stack the team card and the factory upgrade for a total of -30% train time.

(not sure whether mass production has any effect on heavy cannon)

Thanks for this. And you are correct. I just got to try it in game and only the 25% from Mass Production and 5% percent from Team Engineering School. So Acupucture doesn't effect the heavy cannon train time which is a bit sad considering it does lower the Flying Crow from the wonder. Kinda wish China was simply able to produce the flying crow from the factory but I guess it would be OP .

Completely wrong. Acupuncture does affect Heavy Cannon train time but not the Flying Crows from the Confucian Academy. Please see my above post for more facts relating to your question.

You are wrong Im on the game right now

Impressive, then, that you are failing to notice how Acupuncture decreases Heavy Cannon train-points from 115 to 92. Try harder.

duckzilla wrote:Just for clarification: I mixed up the name of mass production with the chinese age III faster training card
Of course the factory upgrade (which I just learned is called mass production) has an effect on heavy cannon training.

If Acupuncture decreases heavy cannon train time by 20%, it is (interestingly) the strongest card to do so in the game.

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zoom wrote:

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airgorden wrote:

duckzilla wrote:As far as I understood it, heavy cannons are only affected by the team card Engineering School and even there only by 5% instead of the full 20%. This is also true for the other cards which reduce artillery train time. They always have a weaker effect (10%) for heavy cannons/bombards/congreve rockets.
This is mainly because a train time reduction to heavy cannons is effectively a cost reduction to it.

Let's do some calculation: A heavy cannon takes 115 seconds to train at the factory. This is an equivalent of ~822 ressources which could have been produced by the factory in the same time. The train time can be reduced by a factory upgrade (-25%), the standard faster artillery train cards (-10%) and the chinese team cards (-5%) to a total of -40% which yields a train time 69 seconds per unit or an equivalent cost of ~493 ressources.

In your case, you should be able to stack the team card and the factory upgrade for a total of -30% train time.

(not sure whether mass production has any effect on heavy cannon)

Thanks for this. And you are correct. I just got to try it in game and only the 25% from Mass Production and 5% percent from Team Engineering School. So Acupucture doesn't effect the heavy cannon train time which is a bit sad considering it does lower the Flying Crow from the wonder. Kinda wish China was simply able to produce the flying crow from the factory but I guess it would be OP .

Completely wrong. Acupuncture does affect Heavy Cannon train time but not the Flying Crows from the Confucian Academy. Please see my above post for more facts relating to your question.

You are wrong Im on the game right now

Impressive, then, that you are failing to notice how Acupuncture decreases Heavy Cannon train-points from 115 to 92. Try harder.

Where can I see this. I tested train time before and after I sent Acupuncture card and it didn't seem to change.So what percentage train time is being reduced? 20%? So China can produce heavy cannon at a -50% train time?

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airgorden wrote:

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airgorden wrote:

duckzilla wrote:As far as I understood it, heavy cannons are only affected by the team card Engineering School and even there only by 5% instead of the full 20%. This is also true for the other cards which reduce artillery train time. They always have a weaker effect (10%) for heavy cannons/bombards/congreve rockets.
This is mainly because a train time reduction to heavy cannons is effectively a cost reduction to it.

Let's do some calculation: A heavy cannon takes 115 seconds to train at the factory. This is an equivalent of ~822 ressources which could have been produced by the factory in the same time. The train time can be reduced by a factory upgrade (-25%), the standard faster artillery train cards (-10%) and the chinese team cards (-5%) to a total of -40% which yields a train time 69 seconds per unit or an equivalent cost of ~493 ressources.

In your case, you should be able to stack the team card and the factory upgrade for a total of -30% train time.

(not sure whether mass production has any effect on heavy cannon)

Thanks for this. And you are correct. I just got to try it in game and only the 25% from Mass Production and 5% percent from Team Engineering School. So Acupucture doesn't effect the heavy cannon train time which is a bit sad considering it does lower the Flying Crow from the wonder. Kinda wish China was simply able to produce the flying crow from the factory but I guess it would be OP .

Completely wrong. Acupuncture does affect Heavy Cannon train time but not the Flying Crows from the Confucian Academy. Please see my above post for more facts relating to your question.

You are wrong Im on the game right now

Impressive, then, that you are failing to notice how Acupuncture decreases Heavy Cannon train-points from 115 to 92. Try harder.

Where can I see this. I tested train time before and after I sent Acupuncture card and it didn't seem to change.So what percentage train time is being reduced? 20%? So China can produce heavy cannon at a -50% train time?

You can read the description for Acupuncture. Apart from that, you can note how sending Acupuncture reduces Factory Heavy Cannon train-time from 115 to 92 in-game seconds on medium speed. Clock it before and after, if you please.

Also, I repeat:

1. TEAM Engineering School effect is -30% – not -20%.
2. Literally the only thing "Mass Production" does is decrease the base train-time of Great Bombards, Heavy Cannons and Rockets by 25%. What did you think it does?
3. Acupuncture decreases the base train-points of everything but Monks and Summer Palace & Confucian Academy units by 20%.
4. With all three effects combined, a Factory trains Heavy Cannons in half the base time (twice as fast).

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zoom wrote:

airgorden wrote:

zoom wrote:

airgorden wrote:

duckzilla wrote:As far as I understood it, heavy cannons are only affected by the team card Engineering School and even there only by 5% instead of the full 20%. This is also true for the other cards which reduce artillery train time. They always have a weaker effect (10%) for heavy cannons/bombards/congreve rockets.
This is mainly because a train time reduction to heavy cannons is effectively a cost reduction to it.

Let's do some calculation: A heavy cannon takes 115 seconds to train at the factory. This is an equivalent of ~822 ressources which could have been produced by the factory in the same time. The train time can be reduced by a factory upgrade (-25%), the standard faster artillery train cards (-10%) and the chinese team cards (-5%) to a total of -40% which yields a train time 69 seconds per unit or an equivalent cost of ~493 ressources.

In your case, you should be able to stack the team card and the factory upgrade for a total of -30% train time.

(not sure whether mass production has any effect on heavy cannon)

Thanks for this. And you are correct. I just got to try it in game and only the 25% from Mass Production and 5% percent from Team Engineering School. So Acupucture doesn't effect the heavy cannon train time which is a bit sad considering it does lower the Flying Crow from the wonder. Kinda wish China was simply able to produce the flying crow from the factory but I guess it would be OP .

Completely wrong. Acupuncture does affect Heavy Cannon train time but not the Flying Crows from the Confucian Academy. Please see my above post for more facts relating to your question.

You are wrong Im on the game right now

Impressive, then, that you are failing to notice how Acupuncture decreases Heavy Cannon train-points from 115 to 92. Try harder.

Where can I see this. I tested train time before and after I sent Acupuncture card and it didn't seem to change.So what percentage train time is being reduced? 20%? So China can produce heavy cannon at a -50% train time?

You can read the description for Acupuncture. Apart from that, you can note how sending Acupuncture reduces Factory Heavy Cannon train-time from 115 to 92 in-game seconds on medium speed. Clock it before and after, if you please.

Also, I repeat:

1. TEAM Engineering School effect is -30% – not -20%.
2. Literally the only thing "Mass Production" does is decrease the base train-time of Great Bombards, Heavy Cannons and Rockets by 25%. What did you think it does?
3. Acupuncture decreases the base train-points of everything but Monks and Summer Palace & Confucian Academy units by 20%.
4. With all three effects combined, a Factory trains Heavy Cannons in half the base time (twice as fast).

Team engineering is only 5% for heavy Cannon, 30% for normal Arty

zoom wrote:Allow me to attempt helping you yet again. What is the answer to the following mathematics problem:

5+20+25?

airgorden wrote:

duckzilla wrote:Just for clarification: I mixed up the name of mass production with the chinese age III faster training card
Of course the factory upgrade (which I just learned is called mass production) has an effect on heavy cannon training.

If Acupuncture decreases heavy cannon train time by 20%, it is (interestingly) the strongest card to do so in the game.

I want to know where zoom is seeing the decrease in train time. Where can I see this info ?