Russia vs Ottomans on Great Plains

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Re: Russia vs Ottomans on Great Plains

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I wish I had a rec of the game I played yesterday. I built an HM blockhouse and went for the standard 5 coss/5 musk opening. I caught and killed 3 huss almost immediately (I assumed it was the shipment), but got caught by an additional 2 huss and an MM pop. He got stagecoach at this point, and started jan/abus production. When he finally came at me, he had something like 15 jan, 10 abus, and 15 cav and I just got dumpstered. I feel like I had the musk and cav mass to hold if he went for an FF, but I felt like I had no answer to this colonial play.

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Re: Russia vs Ottomans on Great Plains

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bwinner1 wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:Well it's unfair but not as hopeless as you guys think.
A top player can beat pr35 players in that MU, by outplaying a little.

You can actually beat age 2 otto by turtling, raiding, and hiting a boyard timing (although that's not easy).

ff is the real issue. You can either go for a ff (700w/700c), and then make only ruskets with the falc shipment (in which case it's all about the falc micro, if you kill the falcs or simply trade them it's possible to win), or rush. Iddle him a lot with a strel spam (do not make musks), and after he holds you should have a good eco, and you want to buy time (base trade, raid etc), and try to outmass him thanks to your eco. Something like 13 strels/5coss/700w does the job here.


I though the same in the past but when I played for 2nd chance this MU vs hwoarang, (I was russia) I scouted 200g+tower in base so I sent for an ff but then he went for a fast all in revo and with this slow russian ff there was nothing I could do I felt :/

Well, I don't have a lot of experience against fast revo (not at all actually), but maybe with walls, a fort and culvs it could work, not sure though. Anyway, rush stops the FI.
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Re: Russia vs Ottomans on Great Plains

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Papist wrote:I wish I had a rec of the game I played yesterday. I built an HM blockhouse and went for the standard 5 coss/5 musk opening. I caught and killed 3 huss almost immediately (I assumed it was the shipment), but got caught by an additional 2 huss and an MM pop. He got stagecoach at this point, and started jan/abus production. When he finally came at me, he had something like 15 jan, 10 abus, and 15 cav and I just got dumpstered. I feel like I had the musk and cav mass to hold if he went for an FF, but I felt like I had no answer to this colonial play.

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imo you can start strelet in this MU. russian musk lose badly to janissary.
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Re: Russia vs Ottomans on Great Plains

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fei123456 wrote:
Papist wrote:I wish I had a rec of the game I played yesterday. I built an HM blockhouse and went for the standard 5 coss/5 musk opening. I caught and killed 3 huss almost immediately (I assumed it was the shipment), but got caught by an additional 2 huss and an MM pop. He got stagecoach at this point, and started jan/abus production. When he finally came at me, he had something like 15 jan, 10 abus, and 15 cav and I just got dumpstered. I feel like I had the musk and cav mass to hold if he went for an FF, but I felt like I had no answer to this colonial play.

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imo you can start strelet in this MU. russian musk lose badly to janissary.

it depends how many of them you will make. if you invest same amount of ress in ruskets as otto in jans i think you gonna win. on the other hand otto usually goes jan/abus so strel would be a better option. just socut stable if he builds one or your strel mass gonna get rekt by huss.
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Re: Russia vs Ottomans on Great Plains

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To remove kebab you just need winged hussars
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Googol wrote:To remove kebab you just need winged hussars

No u need armenian warri0rs
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Re: Russia vs Ottomans on Great Plains

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[Armag] diarouga wrote:
bwinner1 wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:Well it's unfair but not as hopeless as you guys think.
A top player can beat pr35 players in that MU, by outplaying a little.

You can actually beat age 2 otto by turtling, raiding, and hiting a boyard timing (although that's not easy).

ff is the real issue. You can either go for a ff (700w/700c), and then make only ruskets with the falc shipment (in which case it's all about the falc micro, if you kill the falcs or simply trade them it's possible to win), or rush. Iddle him a lot with a strel spam (do not make musks), and after he holds you should have a good eco, and you want to buy time (base trade, raid etc), and try to outmass him thanks to your eco. Something like 13 strels/5coss/700w does the job here.


I though the same in the past but when I played for 2nd chance this MU vs hwoarang, (I was russia) I scouted 200g+tower in base so I sent for an ff but then he went for a fast all in revo and with this slow russian ff there was nothing I could do I felt :/

Well, I don't have a lot of experience against fast revo (not at all actually), but maybe with walls, a fort and culvs it could work, not sure though. Anyway, rush stops the FI.

Yeah that's why I think you need to try for a rush
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