Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
- DArtagnan
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Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
So basically I seem to do alright at multiplayer unless the opponent is doing a otto rush.
I just thought I'd ask what is a good counter?
Just tried Brit VC long bow build and this guy still destroy me, jans just seem to op.
Any tips people?
Sorry if there is a thread already on this.
Maybe I'm just crap at macro ha and age in general lol
Just a sergeant scrub looking for some tips though :) any welcome :)
I just thought I'd ask what is a good counter?
Just tried Brit VC long bow build and this guy still destroy me, jans just seem to op.
Any tips people?
Sorry if there is a thread already on this.
Maybe I'm just crap at macro ha and age in general lol
Just a sergeant scrub looking for some tips though :) any welcome :)
Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
Play on EP!
Not that it helps at all, but you earn ESOC cred.
Not that it helps at all, but you earn ESOC cred.
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Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
If you're on a map where you can have renegados, build a saloon and train them, they counter janissaries better than Brit units and I guess as Brits you have enough population room (maybe I'm wrong, I never play Brits but as Germany it works quite well (with Palatine settlements, though)). Good luck!
Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
Dont do VC stuff, on RE atleast. Gotta learn how to adapt your build to hold the holdable. Most of jan rushes at low level are totally holdable unless you have completely screwed map. Then eventually when you will face unholdable stuff (jan abus huss) you can think of avoiding Otto and/or RE patch.
Need to craft your build to beat the opponent. Try sending units or crates at the right moment. Basically just learn how to defend well: use TC fire actively, dont lose vills for free, learn how to position your units so that the opponent has a hard time going on top of them, make good use of mm, etc.
Need to craft your build to beat the opponent. Try sending units or crates at the right moment. Basically just learn how to defend well: use TC fire actively, dont lose vills for free, learn how to position your units so that the opponent has a hard time going on top of them, make good use of mm, etc.
Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
In other words: be more like Garja.
Pay more attention to detail.
- spanky4ever
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Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
go sioux; make a tp, age with 400 wood, collect food while aging so you can make lots of cetans and some clubs. First card should prolly be 700 wood, and then ship cav; 4 axriders and 2 dogs.
Hippocrits are the worst of animals. I love elifants.
- Kazamkikaz
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Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
Play with those ass otto rushers and record the game and upload here and we can see what options you have, at least otto abus-jan rush is the most difficult to defend but the rest can be countered much better.
Normaly when a guy is rushing he don't focused in defense, meaning his herd is quit bad and his buildings are randomly placed, so raid with cav or even infantry is not bad.
I have a story about 1 guy was wining me every single match up on a map without TP forget the name and he basicaly mass about 15 jan and 10 grenadiers and attack about 7 to 8 min, sometimes he attack sooner with 10 jan 10 or 5 gre, i tried every thing with France semi ff, cav bows, musk cav etc nothing was working (i was very noob though). I started wining when i was aging with 13 vills or 12 without hunting dog and make cav fast to raid him and buy time to avoid his good rush timing and because his herd was very bad he was losing alot villsa, i started wining ez
Normaly when a guy is rushing he don't focused in defense, meaning his herd is quit bad and his buildings are randomly placed, so raid with cav or even infantry is not bad.
I have a story about 1 guy was wining me every single match up on a map without TP forget the name and he basicaly mass about 15 jan and 10 grenadiers and attack about 7 to 8 min, sometimes he attack sooner with 10 jan 10 or 5 gre, i tried every thing with France semi ff, cav bows, musk cav etc nothing was working (i was very noob though). I started wining when i was aging with 13 vills or 12 without hunting dog and make cav fast to raid him and buy time to avoid his good rush timing and because his herd was very bad he was losing alot villsa, i started wining ez
- Kazamkikaz
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Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
By the way i tried remember that noob bo and i used in some mu and works well, it is not because of no TP or make expensive and not so great unit- grenadier that it doesn't work.
Basically is: (works better in Nilla cause you have more wood that you will not use in TP and cause infantry don't have negative bonus vs cav)
Aging soon as possible and send 3 vills.
Make sure you have 50 population by the time you start making units
With wood you start, you make art. foundry and homes and with 400 age up wood you make barrack and 2 homes,
Send 700c and next 700f (c) or 700w depends if you need population or not. queue jan first cause you will make grenadiers when 700c is almost coming.
Don't collet too much coin in transition.
It is good cause grenadier tank more than abus and is heavy food cost as jan so you basically focus your macro at 1 resource and with good siege damage you destroy things faster that is useful in a rush.
Bad thing is that you will not send resource shipments faster if you don't make damage by attacking cause you don't have TP or even eco.
Basically is: (works better in Nilla cause you have more wood that you will not use in TP and cause infantry don't have negative bonus vs cav)
Aging soon as possible and send 3 vills.
Make sure you have 50 population by the time you start making units
With wood you start, you make art. foundry and homes and with 400 age up wood you make barrack and 2 homes,
Send 700c and next 700f (c) or 700w depends if you need population or not. queue jan first cause you will make grenadiers when 700c is almost coming.
Don't collet too much coin in transition.
It is good cause grenadier tank more than abus and is heavy food cost as jan so you basically focus your macro at 1 resource and with good siege damage you destroy things faster that is useful in a rush.
Bad thing is that you will not send resource shipments faster if you don't make damage by attacking cause you don't have TP or even eco.
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Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
Play France if you can. Get the villager HP upgrade from the market. When he attacks, put 10 vills your TC and use the rest to fight. Your vills won't kill his Jans but they will soak up a lot of damage. Pull back low HP ones into the TC (holding Alt will show HP of units). You should be able to not lose any. Start with a barracks and make musk and crossbows. You will need musks when he sends 3 Huss. Send the 8 crossbow card as 2nd or 3rd card in Age 2 (best case scenario when he is under your TC).
In general against aggressive Civs, make sure you herd as well as possbile. On shitty maps you might even have to start herding your 2nd hunt in age 1.
In general against aggressive Civs, make sure you herd as well as possbile. On shitty maps you might even have to start herding your 2nd hunt in age 1.
Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
How many times did you watch the Umeu Sioux rec pack?iwillspankyou wrote:go sioux; make a tp, age with 400 wood, collect food while aging so you can make lots of cetans and some clubs. First card should prolly be 700 wood, and then ship cav; 4 axriders and 2 dogs.
Pay more attention to detail.
Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
aligator92 wrote:Play France if you can. Get the villager HP upgrade from the market. When he attacks, put 10 vills your TC and use the rest to fight. Your vills won't kill his Jans but they will soak up a lot of damage. Pull back low HP ones into the TC (holding Alt will show HP of units). You should be able to not lose any. Start with a barracks and make musk and crossbows. You will need musks when he sends 3 Huss. Send the 8 crossbow card as 2nd or 3rd card in Age 2 (best case scenario when he is under your TC).
In general against aggressive Civs, make sure you herd as well as possbile. On shitty maps you might even have to start herding your 2nd hunt in age 1.
fighting with vills is bad
- spanky4ever
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Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
Gendarme wrote:How many times did you watch the Umeu Sioux rec pack?iwillspankyou wrote:go sioux; make a tp, age with 400 wood, collect food while aging so you can make lots of cetans and some clubs. First card should prolly be 700 wood, and then ship cav; 4 axriders and 2 dogs.
zero I have brains, so I can calculate this things
Hippocrits are the worst of animals. I love elifants.
Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
Pay more attention to detail.
Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
I can't believe it's been two years. Time is flying by and I'm still here on ESOC.
Pay more attention to detail.
- [Armag] diarouga
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Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
Don't go VC vs Otto unless you know exactly what you're doing (which is not the case).
Just age at 4:10 with the tower, and 5-10 lb+mm will do the job.
Just age at 4:10 with the tower, and 5-10 lb+mm will do the job.
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Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
i woudlnt copy high level players builds for this sort of thing because they tend to rely on good micro and macro, id copy 1st lt builds cos theyre mostly simple to pull off and super safe, so something like 700w 6lb and then adapt is probably the best way to go, use tower coin age up for steel traps and put 1 vill on coin to get 150c for minutemen, then just make lb and maybe 5 pike for his 3 huss shipment, add more pikes/musks if u wanna push out
- DArtagnan
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Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
Thank you all, gives me some stuff to think on!
In this game I lost my TC, but managed to rebuild it. Still had a hunt, (my age up tower was off to the side covering a hunt), had VC working for me. I thought mercs could save me, so made renegados, managed to hide vils on mine, but it was too late i think, he was getting vet upgrades and cannons and without a card like Palatine settlements (obs not as I'm not playing German) I kept getting housed.
I did scout were his vils were on hunts though, and i usually rely on an unexpected raid to get me back into a game.
But hey it was all too late
Thank you people will think about this
In this game I lost my TC, but managed to rebuild it. Still had a hunt, (my age up tower was off to the side covering a hunt), had VC working for me. I thought mercs could save me, so made renegados, managed to hide vils on mine, but it was too late i think, he was getting vet upgrades and cannons and without a card like Palatine settlements (obs not as I'm not playing German) I kept getting housed.
I did scout were his vils were on hunts though, and i usually rely on an unexpected raid to get me back into a game.
But hey it was all too late
Thank you people will think about this
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Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
Just flame otto players
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
- DArtagnan
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Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
Kaiserklein wrote:Just flame otto players
Ha yeah when they click in as otto, i know exactly what to expect and well, boring
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Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
pues si vas lb quizá esto te sirva
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odBE4wTa1qk&t=6s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odBE4wTa1qk&t=6s
- DArtagnan
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Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
Thank you CaRp, its a good video, saw it once before
Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
Just play brits, age with tower and build another one . He will probably don't know what to do then.
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Re: Sick of the those lame ass otto rushes
Garja wrote:Dont do VC stuff, on RE atleast. Gotta learn how to adapt your build to hold the holdable. Most of jan rushes at low level are totally holdable unless you have completely screwed map. Then eventually when you will face unholdable stuff (jan abus huss) you can think of avoiding Otto and/or RE patch.
Need to craft your build to beat the opponent. Try sending units or crates at the right moment. Basically just learn how to defend well: use TC fire actively, dont lose vills for free, learn how to position your units so that the opponent has a hard time going on top of them, make good use of mm, etc.
"Try sending units or crates at the right moment"
This guy could be on to something
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