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pecelot wrote:fighting with vills is bad

I would have expected your first post in this thread to be a link to an already existing thread with the same question

well, against Ottomans I'd always recommend this:
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=6445

You could try colonial militia card!! It may work against all in rushes like that specially cuz once otto looses their main army it takes ages for them to remass it!! In general I would just advise to avoid playing vs otto or iro simply cuz these civs are way too strong and imbalanced on the RE patch and you will always be in disadvantage against these civs even on the most balanced maps

if you can't beat the ottomans, be the ottomans.

...and that is how I became a penis in November.

pecelot wrote:well, against Ottomans I'd always recommend this:
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=6445

ah thank you that's helpful as i did scout his first jan mass, could of helped.

Yeah a CM card could work well here too

Depends on the civ. Against Otto, on RE, I'd probably play India, Iro, Otto, Russia, or maybe Aztec. Then you need to decide on your strategy. With a civ like Russia, I'd try and get out strelet and the 5 Cossack shipment early in the game to prevent him from massing and maybe taking down his FB. But with India I'd probably play more defensively and try and get a good fight near my base before pushing out. Brits are going to be kind of hard to be Otto with though. If you have bad hunts then it's GG because you won't be able to contest for map control until later in the game, after your starting hunts have run out. If feasible, building a wall and putting some long-bows behind it is pretty good. Water laming can also work. If you play Portugal and wall and send colonial militia and get some ships off the coast to protect your base, while water booming, then Otto is going to have trouble pushing in.

I wouldn't recommand Russia and Aztecs vs otto (because of the ff).

[Armag] diarouga wrote:I wouldn't recommand Russia and Aztecs vs otto (because of the ff).

Depends on the level. 95% of Otto players below 1st lieutenant are going to jan rush, and maybe jan abus.

Amsel_ wrote:

[Armag] diarouga wrote:I wouldn't recommand Russia and Aztecs vs otto (because of the ff).

Depends on the level. 95% of Otto players below 1st lieutenant are going to jan rush, and maybe jan abus.

Maybe. Still, I don't think that assuming your opponent is going to pick the wrong strat to counter him is the right plan.

Always assume your opponent is going to play the "best" move unless you are playing bullet.

Gendarme wrote:Lies

Lies, I tell you! viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7313&start=25#p165418

lol. aren't you becomming quite a stalker
thx for the reminder though, I might watch the recs once more

Honestly I didn't think that thread was so old. I remember it as if it were yesterday.

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Quinn, is that thou?

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For me Otto rush ain't my thing...... their better off turtling or boooming. To kill Otto said his houses to stop or annoy his pop. Get falcs or mass lb for the jannisaries. Sorry for bad advice I'm not that good player of the otto

Honestly, I hope you get Jan rush'd.

mate, like, literally, pretty much, to be fair, honestly, I hope you even try

If you sure he will rush you could try portugal cm + 2 towers card and play defensively with crossbowman and hussars, in case he is making ff try different stuff like making 1 culverine to kill his 2 cannon or send fort and make spies for his mamelukes etc

One thing that works vs Otto FF is making FF and mass dragoons, dragoon is a versatible unit to kill hussar, cannon, mamelukes, better them jan cause have more HP and range resistence and abus gun is type of artilhery so abus don't have bonus vs light cav.

By the way i tried early dragoon with Portugal (dragoon at colonial age) in team game vs jan and strelets and i saw how ez i was defending vs jan mass with small amout of dragoons.

Once i did 2 barracks rush very agressively vs a noob, i won with very difficult cause he was with 2 TC and 4 Tower (he sent 2 and made 2), his first card was cm next 2 tower and then 8 bows, he didn't make barrack so soon