MU of the month: Ottoman vs Iroquois

[j_t_kirk]

Back to the great AOE3 strategies. We saw in the past some nice MU of the week already.
The meta changes, the player skill level changes, and the patch changes. Some high-level 1v1 players from our lovely community want to show up in a BO5. Let's find out what they could do.

Every at least once per month a thread will be opened where you can discuss a certain MU. This week's MU is Ottoman vs Iroquois. Hopefully, the discussion will be in depth and top players will share their insight.

Vote for the next MU here!


What is the current meta?
What strategy fits best for each map?

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The map pool:
Arizona - - - Alaska - - - Manchuria - - - Thar Dessert - - - Tassili




You can find a list of ESOC maps here: maps.php

Welcome! Credit for this idea goes to @kami_ryu as well as @musketeer925 , @BrookG ,@lemmings121 & @Diarouga building upon it. They are the masterminds behind this pretty nice idea!

All played MU's you can find here: https://eso-community.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=13821

[[Armag] diarouga]

Imo otto stands better. It's almost impossible to deal with the jan/abus as Iro: age 2 is hopeless because your army will get rekt, and apparently ff is too slow (still your best bet though).

[Kaiserklein]

Yeah iro infantry can't kite towards abus so they get hit and run basically forever, and massing kanyas really isn't easy. So iro has to go fortress. Since otto will most likely abus/jan iro goes naked ff, however if you scout something else you might go toma semi or something.

[Challe]

i can do the iro

[[Armag] diarouga]

i can do the iro

Breeze told me you wanted to play otto vs my iro.

[bwinner]

Imo otto stands better. It's almost impossible to deal with the jan/abus as Iro: age 2 is hopeless because your army will get rekt, and apparently ff is too slow (still your best bet though).

are you sure this is still true on ep ? Because age 2 jan/abus got significantly nerfed while late age 2 is untouched for iro.

[Challe]

i can do the iro

Breeze told me you wanted to play otto vs my iro.

I can do both ways, which civ ur stronger?

[[Armag] diarouga]

Imo otto stands better. It's almost impossible to deal with the jan/abus as Iro: age 2 is hopeless because your army will get rekt, and apparently ff is too slow (still your best bet though).

are you sure this is still true on ep ? Because age 2 jan/abus got significantly nerfed while late age 2 is untouched for iro.

Yes, abus can hit and run your infantry forever and you can't get enough cav to engage.

[[Armag] diarouga]

i can do the iro

Breeze told me you wanted to play otto vs my iro.

I can do both ways, which civ ur stronger?

I'm bad at Otto but I think Otto should win
I guess we should reverse the MU after each game.

[Kaiserklein]

Imo otto stands better. It's almost impossible to deal with the jan/abus as Iro: age 2 is hopeless because your army will get rekt, and apparently ff is too slow (still your best bet though).

are you sure this is still true on ep ? Because age 2 jan/abus got significantly nerfed while late age 2 is untouched for iro.

Every single time I played abus jan vs colo iro on ep it wasn't close, even if I fucked up and lost like 5 vils (which is huge for otto). Just cause abus jan is unkillable in this mu and you can poke the resources forever.
@Mitoe

[[Armag] diarouga]

Imo otto stands better. It's almost impossible to deal with the jan/abus as Iro: age 2 is hopeless because your army will get rekt, and apparently ff is too slow (still your best bet though).

are you sure this is still true on ep ? Because age 2 jan/abus got significantly nerfed while late age 2 is untouched for iro.

Every single time I played abus jan vs colo iro on ep it wasn't close, even if I fucked up and lost like 5 vils (which is huge for otto). Just cause abus jan is unkillable in this mu and you can poke the resources forever.
@Mitoe

Yea.

[deleted_user]

well in this mu I think otto is just better in age2 its just how otto punish iro from going fortress

[dansil92]

I knew of a guy who did a cheese strat with iro where he would ship the war chief card age 1 and then town destroyer immediately age 2 and seige every single fb you tried to build while it was under construction then spammed tomas. Not a great strat but vs ottos might be an interesting way to slow the impossible mass of jan abus enough to handle

[Kaiserklein]

That was when you could build a TP in age 1 so that you can use the fast age politician to colonial and still have a shipment ready. Tbh otto anyway couldn't fb vs iro cause iro is faster on RE even with a normal bo. On EP, the card will be too late.

[dansil92]

That was when you could build a TP in age 1 so that you can use the fast age politician to colonial and still have a shipment ready. Tbh otto anyway couldn't fb vs iro cause iro is faster on RE even with a normal bo. On EP, the card will be too late.

Fair point. Could skip the first warchief card i guess. I just think its a hopeless matchup on ep for iro so i was throwing out one idea. Aenna cant hit and run, kanya are garbage and tomas melt away too quick

[deleted_user0]

i want @goongoon on to play iro in this mu, he's the only iro player imo who knew exactly how to play this. Abuse iro mobility (5 speed aenna, which should be your main unit anyway), and just avoid the jan abus deathball. Perhaps the iro nerf is too much to give the edge to iro, but it used to be pretty onesided, so it might still be close.

[Gendarme]

Aennas have 5 speed?!

[Goodspeed]

i can do the iro

WHO DIS?!??

[fei123456]

if otto do a traditional jan abus start (700w 700g) he may lose to iro rush.

[Gendarme]

An Iro rush is probably the easiest thing to scout.

[Challe]

i can do the iro

WHO DIS?!??

21 21 21

Anyways, dno why you guys give Iro this bad name, it's winnable xd
Ive got some hidden strats up my sleeve!

[Aizamk]

i can do the iro

WHO DIS?!??

21 21 21

Anyways, dno why you guys give Iro this bad name, it's winnable xd
Ive got some hidden strats up my sleeve!

This is EP iro
EP iro doesn't have pikes :(

[edeholland]

For quick reference:

• 200 food added to starting crates.
• 200 wood removed from starting crates.
• "Crates of 100 Food, 100 Wood, and 100 Coin" infinite shipment increased to 200f, 100w, 100c.
• "Crates of 200 Food, 200 Wood, and 200 Coin" shipment increased to 400f, 200w, 200c.

• TEAM Silk Road home-city shipment moved to the Discovery Age (from the Colonial Age); effect increased to 25% (up from 15%); team effect removed.
• Abus Gun reload time increased to 3.5 seconds (up from 3 seconds).
• Veteran Abus Gun improvement effect changed to also give +2 range.
• Janissary hit points decreased to 210 (down from 235).
• Janissary cost decreased to 90f-25c (down from 100f-25c); Bounties recalculated accordingly.
• Mosque cost XP income increased to 0.7 XP/second (up from 0.4 XP/second).
• Mosque settler improvements halved in cost:
• Millet System improvement cost decreased to 50 wood (down from 100 wood);
• Koprulu Viziers improvement cost decreased to 125 wood (down from 250 wood);
• Abbasid Market improvement cost decreased to 300 wood (down from 600 wood);
• Galata Tower District improvement cost decreased to 100 coin (down from 200 coin);
• Topkapi improvement cost decreased to 200 wood and 200 coin (down from 400 wood and 400 coin);
• Tanzimat improvement cost decreased to 200 food, 200 wood and 200 coin (down from 400 food, 400 wood and 400 coin).

[Goodspeed]

i can do the iro

WHO DIS?!??

21 21 21

Anyways, dno why you guys give Iro this bad name, it's winnable xd
Ive got some hidden strats up my sleeve!

Yeah there's a reason we haven't buffed them much despite them consistently being rated among the worst 5 civs.
Glad you are playing again. You should like Otto, as well. Not sure if you noticed but we buffed SR and still no one is using it for some reason.

Thanks @edeholland nice timing

[[Armag] diarouga]

i want @goongoon on to play iro in this mu, he's the only iro player imo who knew exactly how to play this. Abuse iro mobility (5 speed aenna, which should be your main unit anyway), and just avoid the jan abus deathball. Perhaps the iro nerf is too much to give the edge to iro, but it used to be pretty onesided, so it might still be close.

It would be less effective on the EP because of the new maps.