France vs russia. In age 2

[Shikari]

It is always said that russia is better than most civ in age2 including france but i was wondering wont france will be able to stand up against russia if they survive boyars timing and they get to send early skirms. Cause theoretically every unit france has is better than russua at that point.

Skirms outrange sterelets so they should hr able to kite them or atleast get better trades. Plus there is two card available for them.

Normal musk are stronger than ruskets.

Hussars are better than cossacks. They also have two cards available.

I know russia eco will overtake them in some time but till then maybe they can win with their army and pressure eco.

[Hazza54321]

Russia wins because map control and eco, you dont really wanna make many skirms vs russia age 2 anyway

[Kazamkikaz]

It is always said that russia is better than most civ in age2 including france but i was wondering wont france will be able to stand up against russia if they survive boyars timing and they get to send early skirms. Cause theoretically every unit france has is better than russua at that point.

Skirms outrange sterelets so they should hr able to kite them or atleast get better trades. Plus there is two card available for them.

Normal musk are stronger than ruskets.

Hussars are better than cossacks. They also have two cards available.

I know russia eco will overtake them in some time but till then maybe they can win with their army and pressure eco.

As you said is IF, it's a big if. Survive the boyars timing means alot stuffs, could be losing alot vills or army while beating all russian units so the early age3 skirms won't be enough.
But i am wondering what exactly is your point with this post?

[fei123456]

Russia has better eco and better map control in late colonial, and he will likely to mass cossack and strelet, and your early skirmisher won't help much. With two upgrade shipments, cossack strelet can even beat your hussar musk combo.

[gh0st]

It is always said that russia is better than most civ in age2 including france but i was wondering wont france will be able to stand up against russia if they survive boyars timing and they get to send early skirms. Cause theoretically every unit france has is better than russua at that point.

early(age2) skirms is probably one of the worst thing you can do vs Russia as france. You waste a shipment which doesn't get you much and you get stomped by coss+streelets mass with boyars.

Skirms outrange sterelets so they should hr able to kite them or atleast get better trades. Plus there is two card available for them.

streelets will trade quite cost efficiently vs age2 skirms and you can't manage to send 2 skirm upgrade cards(on top of early skirms card) without dying.

Normal musk are stronger than ruskets.

again, cost efficiency, plus French musk doesn't even have any ups.

Hussars are better than cossacks. They also have two cards available.

huss are your probably best age2 unit vs Russia but keep in mind coss are insanely pop efficient and have 2 cards as well (boyars+age1 card which boost 10% hp+los I guess)

I know russia eco will overtake them in some time but till then maybe they can win with their army and pressure eco.

So basically you don't wanna challenge Russia in age 2 unless you really have to coz Russia is quite strong in late colonial like brits. You should always look to sneak up an age up if there is a window and prepare to defend at your tc with your cdbs+leftover age2 army+ mm(if available ofc) and age 3 shipment and probably a batch.

[Garja]

Colonial skirms are not an advantage over xbows most of times.

[richard]

theoretically every unit france has is better than russua at that point.

Normal musk are stronger than ruskets.

Hussars are better than cossacks.

You always should take the army cost into account too, if you compare two civ`s military.

Small example: If you assume that wood is roughly as valuable as gold and these both are roughly 1.5 times as valuable as food, then a russian army of 50 musk + 50 coss + 50 strel has approximately the same value as a french army of 30 huss + 40 musk + 30 skirms. It doesnt help france, that 1 Huss is stronger than 1 Coss, 1 skirm is stronger than 1 strel and 1 french musk is stronger than 1 russian musk. 50 rusk + 50 coss + 50 strel still beat 30 huss + 40 musk + 30 skirms, if russia has boyars in.

[Garja]

coss > huss, strelets > xbows, ruskets are about the same or actually better if mass gets bigger

[Shikari]

Ok ok i get it. No age 2 against russia. I just struggle a bit against russia on no tp map thats why i made this post. On tp map i just make 5 huss to defend against cossacks and send 4 cdbs amd 700gold and age. Call minute man if he over extents. This works 50% of the time but on no tp map i never win so i was thinking maybe something colonial would work.

[Dsy]

I always felt russia is stronger civ overall in any age.
Thats my personal experience.

Plus ruskets more cost effective than normal muskets.
Btw: Strelets better than skirms in sup games. - from my experience + france dont even get them in age 2.
Cossack more cost effective than hussars.
Boyars better than two french cav combat card together.

[[Armag] diarouga]

Russia is stronger in age 2. France has a timing though, a well timed musk/huss/bow with cdb can break Russia, but if the russian guy holds he will just have better units.

@Dsy In age 3 France is stronger to be fair. You can just kite to death with skirms, and the goon/cuir will rape your army if you try to commit.

[Challenger_Marco]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/406054094## @Shikari Rapha showing how its done. As diarouga said.

[Dsy]

I think in age 3 its a fair fight, both can win.
The biggest problem from my experience (if i play france) russia can force me to play age2 so easily (and if the opponent is clever it should happen all times)- And in age 2 its much stronger.

[[Armag] diarouga]

Not really, in age 3 it's France favoured.
Russia can't force you to play in age 2 if you defend properly by the way.

[Garja]

Fre in age3 only have tempo advantage. If they dont win the game within the first 4 fortress shipment Russia just outscales.