[Armag] diarouga wrote:No, I don't. Against age 2 play, a musk semi should do fine. 10 musks, mm, cdb and 8 bows if needed will hold, and once you reach the 3rd age musk/falc/cuir is scary for Iro if he's stuck in colonial.
Challe has the right idea. He wins because he manages to outplay garja quite hard, but with a better build order (ie take a TP and make musks not huss), that should work.
Lol those recs. Anyway, he does ofc have the good idea because he knows iro pretty well. But I think yukon game doesn't matter too much as I was hunt screwed as him if not more and with semi rush vs cav it kinda turns around the MU. In general I just played very bad those 2 games, reason why I picked Fre mirror in the last game :) The truth is that even the dumbest rush with just units shipments is not easy for French to hold. It seems you can because you have cdbs but in fact it doesn't. If you want a non lame civ that can occasioanlly beat Iro on RE go for Germans.
Yes, he did start cav but that's a mistake in my opinion. If you start cav, you're never going to be able to age as the Iro player will have a constant pressure, and playing in colonial without the map isn't a good option in my opinion. That's why I recommand musk semi, it should hold the rush and probably even a timing, and once in age 3 musk/falc/cuir is insanely good vs Iroquois. The real issue is the Iro semi ff, but only the good players will do that.
It's not that simple. You definitely can age with cav a lot of the time.
Raiding with 8-10 hussars (to draw some units back home) and upgrading your CDB, with minutemen and some musks added in transition should be totally fine a lot of the time. Might be different on RE, but on EP Iro is a bit too slow to punish this.
Hazza54321 wrote:well iro shit doesnt kill cdbs fast so 4v with great coat (and possibly blunderbuss) is enough til 8 bows 2nd
How good is blunderbuss? i usually don't make that upgrade, seems to expensive
I mean, you only get an extra 3 damage in range and melee, but the big thing is that you get 4 more range (so you get 16 range instead of 12). Which makes fighting with them much easier.
It's a pretty underrated upgrade, especially for France.
Mitoe wrote:It's not that simple. You definitely can age with cav a lot of the time.
Raiding with 8-10 hussars (to draw some units back home) and upgrading your CDB, with minutemen and some musks added in transition should be totally fine a lot of the time. Might be different on RE, but on EP Iro is a bit too slow to punish this.
On the EP it's fine. On the RE there's no way you age against a decent Iro rush.
Garja wrote:Lol those recs. Anyway, he does ofc have the good idea because he knows iro pretty well. But I think yukon game doesn't matter too much as I was hunt screwed as him if not more and with semi rush vs cav it kinda turns around the MU. In general I just played very bad those 2 games, reason why I picked Fre mirror in the last game :) The truth is that even the dumbest rush with just units shipments is not easy for French to hold. It seems you can because you have cdbs but in fact it doesn't. If you want a non lame civ that can occasioanlly beat Iro on RE go for Germans.
Garja wrote:Lol those recs. Anyway, he does ofc have the good idea because he knows iro pretty well. But I think yukon game doesn't matter too much as I was hunt screwed as him if not more and with semi rush vs cav it kinda turns around the MU. In general I just played very bad those 2 games, reason why I picked Fre mirror in the last game :) The truth is that even the dumbest rush with just units shipments is not easy for French to hold. It seems you can because you have cdbs but in fact it doesn't. If you want a non lame civ that can occasioanlly beat Iro on RE go for Germans.
Mitoe wrote:It's not that simple. You definitely can age with cav a lot of the time.
Raiding with 8-10 hussars (to draw some units back home) and upgrading your CDB, with minutemen and some musks added in transition should be totally fine a lot of the time. Might be different on RE, but on EP Iro is a bit too slow to punish this.
On the EP it's fine. On the RE there's no way you age against a decent Iro rush.
What if I said that both H2O and your beloved BlackStar always started cav vs Iro on RE
Garja wrote:Lol those recs. Anyway, he does ofc have the good idea because he knows iro pretty well. But I think yukon game doesn't matter too much as I was hunt screwed as him if not more and with semi rush vs cav it kinda turns around the MU. In general I just played very bad those 2 games, reason why I picked Fre mirror in the last game :) The truth is that even the dumbest rush with just units shipments is not easy for French to hold. It seems you can because you have cdbs but in fact it doesn't. If you want a non lame civ that can occasioanlly beat Iro on RE go for Germans.
i love how germans are considered non-lame XD
Haha true. It's like the 2nd best RE civ.
Nah that's otto, ger is probably 4th after france
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
What do you guys think about full CDB laming (great coast, buss, Pioneers maybe even northwest passage ) XD. You are pretty much forcing iro to go cav which they really can't do efficiently at all. You could always go barrax and pikemen too
Garja wrote:Lol those recs. Anyway, he does ofc have the good idea because he knows iro pretty well. But I think yukon game doesn't matter too much as I was hunt screwed as him if not more and with semi rush vs cav it kinda turns around the MU. In general I just played very bad those 2 games, reason why I picked Fre mirror in the last game :) The truth is that even the dumbest rush with just units shipments is not easy for French to hold. It seems you can because you have cdbs but in fact it doesn't. If you want a non lame civ that can occasioanlly beat Iro on RE go for Germans.
Mitoe wrote:It's not that simple. You definitely can age with cav a lot of the time.
Raiding with 8-10 hussars (to draw some units back home) and upgrading your CDB, with minutemen and some musks added in transition should be totally fine a lot of the time. Might be different on RE, but on EP Iro is a bit too slow to punish this.
On the EP it's fine. On the RE there's no way you age against a decent Iro rush.
What if I said that both H2O and your beloved BlackStar always started cav vs Iro on RE
H2O used to play a lot of MUs wrong and win because he outplayed. Same with bsop, he was one of the greatest raiders of all time, so he relied on that to win.
Not really. Not on RE at least. Honestly musk vs someone who is half competent at rushing is suicide. Mostly because rush implies lot of RI and also because you have zero counterplay with musks in base. Hence why cav or RI start.
jgals wrote:What do you guys think about full CDB laming (great coast, buss, Pioneers maybe even northwest passage ) XD. You are pretty much forcing iro to go cav which they really can't do efficiently at all. You could always go barrax and pikemen too
Honestly any competent player will see that amount of shipments you've spent on your villies and just age and ship 6 kanya and upgrade em, maybe the cuirassier shipment, and lame some forest prowlers
