How to counter ff builds as japan

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How to counter ff builds as japan

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Whenever i play Japan, I have a decent colonial age with good eco and I usually win verus colonial plays. But I never know what to do vs Civs like Germany, France or Spain when they go ff. What is the right answer to this?
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stay age 2 or ff yourself (600w 600g)
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wait for gib japan guide
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600g 600g ez
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Feels like age 2 ashi nagi destroys ger ff. Early clubs for uhlans/killing tp. Dont fight age 3 army til u have 10 nagi
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yumi wall
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the only problem with staying age 2 vs german is u cant really kill black riders
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just add 10 yumi :/
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Pretty sure Germans do fine vs Colo Japan. But a big Yumi mass can be hard to deal with if they’re carded + Daimyo, regardless of the age.
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Fight fire with fire
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I feel like the japan ff is way slower than german/france ff. Does anyone have a rec with japan?
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Like previously answered, your options are

1) Stay colonial, you should have a chance to build a good eco and go for ashi/nagi. Avoid takings fights after germ/fre has a big mass, outside of your base.
Protip: Even though walls are paper, having 1 layer of wall can help you trap your opponent and stop kiting.

2) Go for Garja's 600g 600g (or 600w/600g can work too) and stay defensive. Use flamings to take falcs down.

If it's a TP map like High Plains, Mendo, I would go for strat number 1.
If it's non-tp or tp-line without stage possibility, go for 2.
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If it's no tp you definitely don't want to ff, because they won't ff, they'll have to play colo
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I assume that OP is a Brigadier Colonel vs colonial strats.
But basically, yes.
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Yea just saying he shouldn't expect these civs to ff on no tp
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umeu wrote:just add 10 yumi :/
get 9 uhlaned
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You asked how to deal with br. Not uhlan.

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