What to do vs Jan abus Colo play as germany.

[Shikari]

On tp start I just do naked ff with 3sw 700g but it is so tough. You just loose houses left and right. On no tp start I don't even know what i should do.

[[Armag] diarouga]

Yea, just ff and then make warwagons with some skirmishers.

[Shikari]

Yea, just ff and then make warwagons with some skirmishers.

I know that naked ff on tp start is the best thing to do but what do I do about the houses that I'll loose. And what about on non tp start. 3sw 700w collect to age is soo god damm slow.

[[Armag] diarouga]

It's not that slow. 3sw/700w is just fine honestly.

[Kaiserklein]

Don't go 3 sw 700w vs aggressive stuff, it's garbage.
Vs jan abus you gotta do standard cav semi stuff, raid, try to clean him up if he commits in your base with bows and/or mm, age whenever you can. xbow/uhlan is also possible if you feel like you can't age. Snipe abus with tc.

[Hazza54321]

What kaiser said. Just cav, raid, come back with raiding cav and clean with 8bow/mm. Or start bow and tc fire the abus guns.

[Mitoe]

What Kaiser/Hazza said. Typically 3 SW 700w 700c and just stand under your opponent’s TC so that he can’t gather or make units. Can also try to do an all-in Colonial rush if your opponent is going for a lot of TPs in transition.

[Shikari]

AFAIK their are two ways to do the Jan abus. In one you go 700gold first in another you go 700w first then 700g. What's the difference between the two and does it change what I do?

[[Armag] diarouga]

700c first is faster but there's no follow up. Otto can jan/huss with that build but jan abus sounds really bad lol.

[princeofkabul]

what kaiser, hazza and mitoe said

[bwinner]

The trick is any of this build works since it's ez af for ger^^

[Kaiserklein]

AFAIK their are two ways to do the Jan abus. In one you go 700gold first in another you go 700w first then 700g. What's the difference between the two and does it change what I do?

700g first is the all in abus jan build. It's basically what you can do when you can't take more than 1 TP (or on a no tp map). You chop 300w in transition, and with the 400w from the age up you just slam down art foundry + rax + 2 houses. Get 5 jans 5 abus out first batch. Follow with 700w for houses, mosque (on EP), possibly a stable.
The problem of this build is that you can't really be aggressive with 5 jans 5 abus vs tc fire. So it's basically only for a fb war or to defend a rush. In a lot of cases, you might as well not go jan/abus at all.

If you can grab more than one TP, you want to build a second TP in transition to colonial and ship 700w first to get your foundry, stagecoach and maybe more TPs. Your eco is just way better, and having the 5 abus later doesn't really matter in most cases anyway.

[Scroogie]

What Kaiser, Hazza, Mitoe and Prince said
Or you go mercs because some of these dudes outrange the abus

[marcos kratos]

with 200w start going to ff 3 sw + 700coin + 3ww putting 6 vill in the wood for houses 7:20 arrives at the fortresses

[Goodspeed]

Did the definition of naked FF change? 3sw 700c sounds like a semi-FF

[Kaiserklein]

Well you don't train units so I guess it's a naked FF. Maybe not a straight FF though since it's 2 cards? idk

[[Armag] diarouga]

Did the definition of naked FF change? 3sw 700c sounds like a semi-FF

3SW is so strong, you can't really skip it.

[Goodspeed]

But if you're not making any units why would you send 700c after? You can just gather everything and send wood or even save the shipment?

[[Armag] diarouga]

But if you're not making any units why would you send 700c after? You can just gather everything and send wood or even save the shipment?

3SW/700w is the standard build order.
On a TP start however (and only on a TP start), you can go 3SW/700c and have a ridiculous age up time (almost 7min in fortress), but to TP start with Germany is just a joke.

[Goodspeed]

K, I was going by the OP

naked ff with 3sw 700g

[[Armag] diarouga]

K, I was going by the OP

naked ff with 3sw 700g

Yea, he does that on TP start.

[jgals]

doesn't it turn out to be almost the same with better eco to ff with 700 wood vs 700 coin as germany? Then you have all ur market ups a military building and TP or whatever u need

[yemshi]

700c is obviously faster.

[Garja]

500f age up and 700g is indeed faster.

[macacoalbino]

Blablabla, they talk a lot about build orders but you gotta focus on the gameplan.
Use uhlans to idle their vills a lot, dont lose them to tc fire though, focus on making otto vills walk to tc and back to resources again all the time until they bring jan back to defend.
Use tc fire to snipe abus, whenever he is in range you should target fire in the abus since it’s sooo good to kill them in 2shots.
Whenever you finally age abuse the difference of range between skirms and abus (20 vs 18) and mass WW since they are good vs both their units
Ps: about housing, build them behind tc so you can pop units+mm+sw and explo if he overcommits to try and kill them