300 wood first dutch shipment

[adderbrain5]

I have this firm belief that a key to winning as Dutch is to get at least one bank up asap to maintain Villager production. Even if you age slower because of it IMHO it's better to invest early resources in a bank. Especially if the start crates are high on a noob map like Deccan Hispaniola or an Otto noob map like carolina. Anyway in order to go early bank what do u think about sending 300 wood?

[gibson]

Basically it's shit because you don't get out three vils which is better then spending 350 food and 50 wood on 2.75 gold per second a minute earlier

[momuuu]

3 vills >> 300 wood really.

[Jaeger]

3 vills >'>' 300 wood really.

Haha actually i tried this strat once, i sent 300w, made a bank, with the xp i sent 3v, in transition made another bank and with THAt xp i had shipment ready in age 2. I think i barely mananged a 17v age up with a food treasure tho

who knows tho, maybe its good vs spain or china

[Mitoe]

And unfortunately, if you're aging up with 17 vills while doing this, you might as well just play standard and ship 700w first and have that 4th bank under construction in the same time you would've aged with 17 vills.

[_DB_]

lol ditch

Don't 300w unless you got some nice amount of XP to send 2nd shipment in age 1. Anyway GS says Dutch don't fit the 300w/TP meta well. Don't try it. 3 vils is the best way to start with.

Vs sioux, food trickle.

[_venox_]

Try to get a tp up and age with 15/16 villagers, send 3 vills then 300 wood. This might work to set up a tp route with the stage coach upgrade and not get slowed down too much with your bank count. It isn't better per se, but it's definitely faster at setting up the route, especially on low resource maps where you need the extra income.

[Marco1698]

It's a shitment.

[adderbrain5]

lol ditch

Don''t 300w unless you got some nice amount of XP to send 2nd shipment in age 1. Anyway GS says Dutch don''t fit the 300w/TP meta well. Don''t try it. 3 vils is the best way to start with.

Vs sioux, food trickle.

lol thanks for the solid advice

[Aizamk]

I don't think it's that bad. If someone rushes you early, that extra bank is going to do a lot more good than 3 vills will, plus you can get your second bank out asap after aging using 400w, since most of your vills will be on food during transition. Plus xp points.

[Jaeger]

I don''t think it''s that bad. If someone rushes you early, that extra bank is going to do a lot more good than 3 vills will, plus you can get your second bank out asap after aging using 400w, since most of your vills will be on food during transition. Plus xp points.

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[adderbrain5]

I dont think its that bad. If someone rushes you early, that extra bank is going to do a lot more good than 3 vills will, plus you can get your second bank out asap after aging using 400w, since most of your vills will be on food during transition. Plus xp points.

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lol

[Einfein]

I played Dutch heavily through out Vanilla/TWC and did experiment with 300w. I never found that it worked better then 3vils, they're just worth more early on and can switch to different resources as needed etc. Are you not chopping for your first bank in transition? Dutch can have uninterrupted villager production and still get their bank up so I'm a bit confused why you need the bank up first to maintain production?

[_venox_]

Try to get a tp up and age with 15/16 villagers, send 3 vills then 300 wood. This might work to set up a tp route with the stage coach upgrade and not get slowed down too much with your bank count. It isn''t better per se, but it''s definitely faster at setting up the route, especially on low resource maps where you need the extra income.

It is like the slow 17 vill age up for Russia with eco theory as your second card and an early market, just for Dutch with an extra bank and a later colonial. I don''t know if the speed difference with faster 700w/bank wagon negates the extra income through the bank though.

[momuuu]

I played Dutch heavily through out Vanilla/TWC and did experiment with 300w. I never found that it worked better then 3vils, they''re just worth more early on and can switch to different resources as needed etc. Are you not chopping for your first bank in transition? Dutch can have uninterrupted villager production and still get their bank up so I''m a bit confused why you need the bank up first to maintain production?

this. You delay your age up so much that you arent going to have a better eco at any point in time, and when you get to 4 banks, you are three vills behind the standard 3 vill strat.

[Goodspeed]

It''s a shitment.

Nice

TP might be viable as Dutch, at some point, even though their shipments are mediocre. But 300w just doesn''t work.

[momuuu]

Its a shitment.

Nice

TP might be viable as Dutch, at some point, even though their shipments are mediocre. But 300w just doesnt work.

Ive been thinking about this lately. When would you build it? Could 12/10 + TP with a 200w start be worth it. Or 16 vill age and gather 100 wood for TP (I think that might work out)? And if you get a 100w start? Is there any point in time where you can benefit from a TP.

[_venox_]

Maybe your idea of the 12/10 combined with sending 300 wood after the 3 villagers for a second tp and 100 wood for a house, building your first bank from the age up wood and getting the stage coach upgrade from 700 wood may be worth a try.
If you get a 100 wood start try to still chop for the tp and age up with 16 villagers with the same concept (but a bank in transition), still going for 3 vill 300 wood might work.

[momuuu]

Maybe your idea of the 12/10 combined with sending 300 wood after the 3 villagers for a second tp and 100 wood for a house, building your first bank from the age up wood and getting the stage coach upgrade from 700 wood may be worth a try.
If you get a 100 wood start try to still chop for the tp and age up with 16 villagers with the same concept (but a bank in transition), still going for 3 vill 300 wood might work.

you cant chop 200 wood and age with 16 vills. But for 200w start, it might surely be worth testing. With or without 300w. But you wont be able to get up that bank without 300w, so probably with. If you can send 300w and still get a shipment right when you hit age 2, and get the bank up before aging, and age smoothly with 16 vills, it might be worth it. Otherwise, Id doubt it.

[noissance]

what about using the 300 wood to make a trade post or walls

[Jaeger]

what about using the 300 wood to make a trade post or walls

Sending 3 villagers is better than anything in age 1. Having a trading post is nice, it just doesnt come near the value of 3 vills. Also if you really need walls, you won''t need 300wood''s worth of walls, maybe only like 50w max. 3 villagers are much better just because they gather 300w in only 3 minutes and 20 seconds. At the point when you semd 3 villagers you have only about 10-11 vills, so an additional 3 vills means a 30 percent boost to your economy at that point

[91]

I think the xp bonus for building a bank was higher before (maybe on vanilla/TWC?) and then it was huge to build an extra bank before ageup. I think you could do a 300wood, gather only food, and age up with very few vils, like 10. Very fast ageup, and then you can build bank during transition, and get enough xp for 8 pikes, and have the pikes harass extremely early due to the fast ageup (dutch already free coin crates to make lots of vils). While harassing with the 8 pikes you could use the 400 ageup wood to build another bank, and you have your second age2 shipment available right away almost. And can boom away while the opponent thinks you're rushing your ass off.


Now it's very tricky to do something good with 300w, I played around with it a lot.

[91]

I tried it a bit just now, and I would say it's not THAT bad. You will basically have 2 shipments back to back in age 2. If you have good treasures it might be viable...

You can have 8 pikes out at ~4:30, and the second bank start building at the same time. When bank is done before 5 in mark, you have another shipment. Though you only have maybe 13-14 vils (depending on starting crates). But you can get an agressive shipment while booming which is quite nice. you can also do a full boom if you want, which means you have standard start with 3 less vils, but your shipment ready faster and you have 2 of them.

I dont know, I think it could work to be honest, at least good enough to be played around with. Food treasures to prevent TC idle time would be the most important. You probably need 5 gold crate start though

[Jaeger]

I tried it a bit just now, and I would say it''s not THAT bad. You will basically have 2 shipments back to back in age 2. If you have good treasures it might be viable...

You can have 8 pikes out at ~4:30, and the second bank start building at the same time. When bank is done before 5 in mark, you have another shipment. Though you only have maybe 13-14 vils (depending on starting crates). But you can get an agressive shipment while booming which is quite nice. you can also do a full boom if you want, which means you have standard start with 3 less vils, but your shipment ready faster and you have 2 of them.

I dont know, I think it could work to be honest, at least good enough to be played around with. Food treasures to prevent TC idle time would be the most important. You probably need 5 gold crate start though

But that means the pike will reach his base at around 5 minutes and all he needs vs 8 pike are minutemed. And if he starts cav you will have to bring pike home anyway to catch raids

[pecelot]

Sending 3 villagers is better than anything in age 1.

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