can someone explain the current spain meta to me

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Ok, I'm officialy not playing on RE anymore because the maps are just so annoying and some matchups are really annoying. Making the full switch to EP. Seems like I can get a few games every day at around 1st lieut/captain level.

I was trying to just work on macro and timings with France but France bores me so I want to switch to Spain. However, all the strats on the Strategy Wall for spain seem pretty old and not up to date with the new EP.

So can someone help me with a good overview for how to play Spain? I feel like I have an idea of a few strats:

1. colonial aggro. Chop wood for a barracks, make musks, and follow up with 5v-4v to have a strong early colonial eco
2. ATP
3. Eco FF. Seems like I don't see the really aggro Piroshiki ff for Spain much among the pros these days. People are going age 3 and sending Spanish Gold and then defending and massing with rod+skirm. I like that composition, it feels a lot like China territorial army.
4. Revolt/FI. No idea how to do this one.

What's the start for Spain like? Can you go for an early market like France on certain crate starts? Are you pretty much always gonna send 700w as first card for colonial play, and 700g for FF? Is a 5 hussar semi-ff possible with Spain, like it is with France?
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Just lame ATP and queue on the tourney map pool.
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1. Colonial rush BO is get market with 100c and 100w start, try to get coin tres arround tc or w tres, to get hunting dogs, if its 200w the same. Chop 400w while aging for tp & barrack, age with tower and place it forward like ur rax and send 700w, 700c after crates send 8pikes or 7rods depends on what civ ur opponent is. get 2nd rax and 5 houses with 700w and have all vills on food, dont forget that u need good macro to get 20musk and 8pike/7rods as soon as possible to push.
2. Atp. i dont like/do it more due it slows ur age up down, could be cuz ppl like rushing me :P. u can easiliy build second tp with 700w while aging to fortress, just let 4vills gather wood while aging for houses.
3. this is the strongest BO for spain right now, u need good micro to hold first pushes when playing vs rush/ff civs with mm/dogs/falcs/musks or lancers. After holding ur eco will be very good with spanisg gold, sometimes u can even send 1k w to make more raxes/stables Rod/skirm micro is very important here to win tho.
4. As Rohvolter, i would say u can get away with a FI with some walls 2falcs skirms/rods or a fort, but it requires again much micro. if the map has 3tps and u can get all with atp, i would go FI/Revolt, with 2 tps its also ok. I dont like it much with 2tp ngl. Card order 3vills/ATP/700c/700w/5vill/spanish gold/Fort,2falcs,9rods(depends on which units ur opponent has/1kw(after 1k wood u should be almost aging) age4 if Revolting 7hussars if FI´ing 2hcs/ 8lancers depends again what units ur opponent has. Make skirm or rods while aging always to protect falcs/vills and a wall is needed.
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Squamiger wrote:What's the start for Spain like? Can you go for an early market like France on certain crate starts? Are you pretty much always gonna send 700w as first card for colonial play, and 700g for FF? Is a 5 hussar semi-ff possible with Spain, like it is with France?
You can go Market with 100c/100w start with coin and w treasures. 700w is always first card for colonial play, 700c for ff, yup. i never tested the 5 huss semi tho, but i think it sucks, since ppl do mostly musks vs spain or ff instead and then u are even later in fortress than ur opponent.
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Riotcoke wrote:Just lame ATP and queue on the tourney map pool.
Obsessed :maniac:
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I've had some success with a like a 5 rod semi vs germany at (y)our level you just have to be super cautious not to linger in colonial for very long or you get oofed real quick. The increased ageup speed is quite nice on ep, and synergizes nicely with the faster shipment progression. I really like ep spain it feels strong but never broken
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On the RE, you have to ff and be agressive every game. Something like 700c/700w/5v/2falcs/12pikes/5huss or even 8 pikes instead of 5v. On the EP, you can also go for eco builds like ATP semi ff or ff into spanish gold/1000w.
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ATP is not that lame now. 1-2 TP standard FF should work; and as the standard age up is 5 seconds faster while exalted prince is 5 seconds slower, some semiFF builds should be available too.
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I always play std. Ep maps, they seem best to me tbh. Not esoc maps not tournament maps but just std. Ep maps.
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Squamiger wrote:Ok, I'm officialy not playing on RE anymore because the maps are just so annoying and some matchups are really annoying. Making the full switch to EP. Seems like I can get a few games every day at around 1st lieut/captain level.
Add me on eso theres a nice community of captains/lieuts that play pretty regularly
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Rohbrot wrote:1. Colonial rush BO is get market with 100c and 100w start, try to get coin tres arround tc or w tres, to get hunting dogs, if its 200w the same. Chop 400w while aging for tp & barrack, age with tower and place it forward like ur rax and send 700w, 700c after crates send 8pikes or 7rods depends on what civ ur opponent is. get 2nd rax and 5 houses with 700w and have all vills on food, dont forget that u need good macro to get 20musk and 8pike/7rods as soon as possible to push.
Ahaha why do you revel my secret strat!

But i have an other secret strat with no market and the same amount of unit!
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chronique wrote:
Rohbrot wrote:1. Colonial rush BO is get market with 100c and 100w start, try to get coin tres arround tc or w tres, to get hunting dogs, if its 200w the same. Chop 400w while aging for tp & barrack, age with tower and place it forward like ur rax and send 700w, 700c after crates send 8pikes or 7rods depends on what civ ur opponent is. get 2nd rax and 5 houses with 700w and have all vills on food, dont forget that u need good macro to get 20musk and 8pike/7rods as soon as possible to push.
Ahaha why do you revel my secret strat!

But i have an other secret strat with no market and the same amount of unit!
OP strat of OP player!!!
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Just play Spain bois and see if u get colonel, since only @chronique and me achieved it (with full spain). Im fcking bored of the shit talking to me after a game or while playing, (some players do this ngl, the most ppl i are nice) i hate it when ppl say me ^^Spain is OP^^, since we see which civs are mostly used in epl^^.
We are a small community and we shouldnt flame/insult each other.
Sad to write this.
If someone has a Winrate of spain in epl or in EP 8.2 pls share it, if spain is so ^^OP^^ how some claim, it should have top3 Winrate.
(Dont know if piroshiki got colonel in the past tho)
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Don't let it get to you. People in aoe3 are just generally very often horrible losers.

And it's much worse when they lose to more unconventional strats or civs. People don't mind it so much if you just have great mechanics and win by doing perfect skirm/goon. But if you invent or perfect some fun builds like atp/nats/revolt/rush or whatever, they get extremely salty because they just wanna play their regular meta stuff greedy skirm/goon.

It's quite sad, but also not surprising. Happened to me all the time back in the day.
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Astaroth wrote:atp/nats/revolt/rush or whatever,
Not even with revolt i got more flamed than when i did normal Skirm/rod age3 play^^
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Rohbrot wrote:Just play Spain bois and see if u get colonel, since only @chronique and me achieved it (with full spain). Im fcking bored of the shit talking to me after a game or while playing, (some players do this ngl, the most ppl i are nice) i hate it when ppl say me ^^Spain is OP^^, since we see which civs are mostly used in epl^^.
We are a small community and we shouldnt flame/insult each other.
Sad to write this.
If someone has a Winrate of spain in epl or in EP 8.2 pls share it, if spain is so ^^OP^^ how some claim, it should have top3 Winrate.
(Dont know if piroshiki got colonel in the past tho)
Shup up noob. Spain is biggest lame, is basically is otto2.0. Alls of esoc know
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Shouldn't people cheer when a strat surprises them?
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Shup up noob. Spain is biggest lame, is basically is otto2.0. Alls of esoc know
Gud english bruhhh! :hehe:
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Ye piroshiki got colonel in past
Fine line to something great is a strange change.
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princeofcarthage wrote:Ye piroshiki got colonel in past
Mean a lot about the level of this period XD.

But piroshiki is clearly better, he reach this level, not with 100% spain but with 100% one bo!
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Nah, piroshiki had variations 2-3
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princeofcarthage wrote:Nah, piroshiki had variations 2-3
well yeah, depending on the wood start. and a special build for GP as you get that OP first pass
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Rohbrot wrote:1. Colonial rush BO is get market with 100c and 100w start, try to get coin tres arround tc or w tres, to get hunting dogs, if its 200w the same. Chop 400w while aging for tp & barrack, age with tower and place it forward like ur rax and send 700w, 700c after crates send 8pikes or 7rods depends on what civ ur opponent is. get 2nd rax and 5 houses with 700w and have all vills on food, dont forget that u need good macro to get 20musk and 8pike/7rods as soon as possible to push.
2. Atp. i dont like/do it more due it slows ur age up down, could be cuz ppl like rushing me :P. u can easiliy build second tp with 700w while aging to fortress, just let 4vills gather wood while aging for houses.
3. this is the strongest BO for spain right now, u need good micro to hold first pushes when playing vs rush/ff civs with mm/dogs/falcs/musks or lancers. After holding ur eco will be very good with spanisg gold, sometimes u can even send 1k w to make more raxes/stables Rod/skirm micro is very important here to win tho.
4. As Rohvolter, i would say u can get away with a FI with some walls 2falcs skirms/rods or a fort, but it requires again much micro. if the map has 3tps and u can get all with atp, i would go FI/Revolt, with 2 tps its also ok. I dont like it much with 2tp ngl. Card order 3vills/ATP/700c/700w/5vill/spanish gold/Fort,2falcs,9rods(depends on which units ur opponent has/1kw(after 1k wood u should be almost aging) age4 if Revolting 7hussars if FI´ing 2hcs/ 8lancers depends again what units ur opponent has. Make skirm or rods while aging always to protect falcs/vills and a wall is needed.
ok, thanks, Im trying these out.

for strat 1, the rush: what is the timing for getting out 20 musks? do you build a second barracks with your 700w, or a stable? How do you deal with players going heavy light inf? When do you age? I tried this vs. India and basically just got penned up in my base by gurkhas, but then I aged to fortress and got cannons and pushed out. Eventually still lost tho to OP age 4 India.

for ATP: is your goal to hold in colonial or to go up to fortress? when do you upgrade the stagecoach line?

for eco ff: i tried this in another game vs India and just got totally rekt by age 3 india. micro is hard... I won against India with an aggro FF musk semi-ff tho.
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20musk and 8pike/7rods at min 6:45-7:00, second rax with 700w, dont do this vs these civs china,iro,dutch,otto,azzy,india,japan,port and fre (never vs brit)
i like to go ff when atp but u can make some musk if ur opponent wanna siege ur tps down.Sc with 700w
U need good rod/skirm micro and tbh urumis are hard to kill since they kill ur rods in seconds, vs india its better to be aggro since their eco scale better than spains but eco ff is also game winning
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