can someone explain the current spain meta to me

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India vs spain sucks from both sides ngl
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Squamiger wrote: for strat 1, the rush: what is the timing for getting out 20 musks? do you build a second barracks with your 700w, or a stable? How do you deal with players going heavy light inf? When do you age? I tried this vs. India and basically just got penned up in my base by gurkhas, but then I aged to fortress and got cannons and pushed out. Eventually still lost tho to OP age 4 India.
20 mousket + 8 pik arround 6.50 if you market 16 vili age 1, if 15 vili age up you hit 20 sec earlier but with 17/18 mousket (and no market). This strat can't be meta, if your opponenet know what you do, you are in a bad spot, i usually used this build vs greedy player or vs lower who need to be teached (don't used that vs india lol).

Yes, build your second rax with 700w, when you hit age 2, send 700w and build your rax (with 1 vili), train 1 mousket, then, when 700w come, send 3 vili on it, build 1 house + your second rax, complete your mousket batch and build full house (70 pop).
Variante of this build (vs china for exemple), age 15, 700w in to 600w into 8 pik. You need 50 gold + 200 from tower mean 10 mousket (with your first rax you can train 10 mousket and when your second batch comes out, your second rax is ready) and train 10 pik (or 10 xbow but its suppose to be all in), your 10 pik batch comes out when your 8 pik come, so you have 10 mousket + 18 pik arround 6.20.
Squamiger wrote: for ATP: is your goal to hold in colonial or to go up to fortress? when do you upgrade the stagecoach line?
Go fortress, upg SC with your 700w.
Squamiger wrote: for eco ff: i tried this in another game vs India and just got totally rekt by age 3 india. micro is hard... I won against India with an aggro FF musk semi-ff tho.
Tbh aggro ff is ez vs india now, but ff into SG (spanish gold) first is pretty strong. Sometime, when i know my opponent is not aggro player, i go for 16 vili + market age up, then ff with 24 vili (16 + 3 + 5 from shipement) and build 2 rax from 700w (you reach age 3 arround 7.40 with 24 vili full market upg and 2 rax) then SG first into 2 falc. This bo is less greedy than SG into 1kw but you have a very nice eco.
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Rohbrot wrote:20musk and 8pike/7rods at min 6:45-7:00, second rax with 700w, dont do this vs these civs china,iro,dutch,otto,azzy,india,japan,port and fre (never vs brit)
i like to go ff when atp but u can make some musk if ur opponent wanna siege ur tps down.Sc with 700w
U need good rod/skirm micro and tbh urumis are hard to kill since they kill ur rods in seconds, vs india its better to be aggro since their eco scale better than spains but eco ff is also game winning
so the 20 musk rush only works vs spain, russia, germany, and sioux?
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Squamiger wrote: so the 20 musk rush only works vs spain, russia, germany, and sioux?
Too me this rush is decent only vs german, the variante with pik/xbow work vs china (but it work vs other if not scouted like vs dutch). You can't realy used this bo tbh, you need to know what your opponenet do, and if you know he play greedy you can used it sometime.

Two rec of me with 10 mousket 18 pik rush, and the 20 mousket 8 pik rush.
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harcha wrote:well yeah, depending on the wood start. and a special build for GP as you get that OP first pass
Nah he would make church halbs or highlanders and saloon from time to time
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well if u lose to frederic le grand it cant be that good
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Me is "lower who need to be reached" @chronique
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chris1089 wrote:Me is "lower who need to be reached" @chronique
No probleme!
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SPain is good for a villiger rush.. I remember I tried it out a few times and it worked.. Send colonial militia card and all that, shippents, and boom you rush the other persons tc.. From my research spain gave the most units (objects, simple amount of units) so quickly.. Which was really good for a tc rush.
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@chronique you underestimate ur rush BO, since i won many pr35+ players with it :P
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Who better Poisson or rohbrot?
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Challenger_Marco wrote:Who better Poisson or rohbrot?
The old man is!
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poisson is the plop master.
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Challenger_Marco wrote:Who better Poisson or rohbrot?
That's like asking who is better - Messi or Ronaldo? :lol:
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aaryngend wrote:That's like asking who is better - Messi or Ronaldo? :lol:
I don't like both of them, so no :P
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No football fan, @chronique ? We can change it to Tennis tho, Federer and Nadal. :-)
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Rohbrot wrote:No football fan, @chronique ? We can change it to Tennis tho, Federer and Nadal. :-)
Ahah well done, federe ofc (but i still thinking Nole is the goat, which its sad).
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Rohbrot wrote:Just play Spain bois and see if u get colonel, since only @chronique and me achieved it (with full spain). Im fcking bored of the shit talking to me after a game or while playing, (some players do this ngl, the most ppl i are nice) i hate it when ppl say me ^^Spain is OP^^, since we see which civs are mostly used in epl^^.
We are a small community and we shouldnt flame/insult each other.
Sad to write this.
If someone has a Winrate of spain in epl or in EP 8.2 pls share it, if spain is so ^^OP^^ how some claim, it should have top3 Winrate.
(Dont know if piroshiki got colonel in the past tho)
I could do that. Every top player could do that too.

I can let one of my accounts to decay to pr 25 and take up on this challange.

More impressive is how you got down to that level in mere months, not that you did it with spain.
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It is surely civ dependent, its something else when u reach this rank with otto, iro, china or japan tho and i meant something else when i said "try to get colonel with spain" i meant more the players who are playing civs which are better than spain and claim that spain is OP.
Btw i would be interested how fast u reach colonel when playing vs pr35+ players atleast and it should be mostly colonels u play against since u are pr40 player but w/e it was said for other players.
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princeofkabul wrote: More impressive is how you got down to that level in mere months, not that you did it with spain.
Not impressive at all to me :D . I told him at the end of the year, you will be better than me. To me it show how fast you can learn when you play "custom game".
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@chronique that musk rush in Spain mirror? Shouldn't it just loose to std. Spain FF? Maybe send 7 rods instead of 5 vills idk.
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Shikari wrote:@chronique that musk rush in Spain mirror? Shouldn't it just loose to std. Spain FF? Maybe send 7 rods instead of 5 vills idk.
Yes it does lose to a well executed ff. Still, it's easy to fuck your defense when you're a lower level player or to go greedy with 700c/5v/700w and get iddled forever.
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Shikari wrote:@chronique that musk rush in Spain mirror? Shouldn't it just loose to std. Spain FF? Maybe send 7 rods instead of 5 vills idk.
This rush won 100% under pr 25 because its much micro intense for the defenser, i guess he can work vs some greedy ff (like vs atp ff which its slower) but vs the standar well executed, you are not suppose to win (like rouga said, because rouga always give the answer before me :P )

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