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What would 5 coss do vs a walled japan?
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Well, firstly I'd say the actually force the wall. Japan might cut corners and only wall in front. With 5 cossack you make sure the spend another 30w+ vills time to wall completely. Andif the wall has an opening you might get in and forc idle vill time.
Secondly they chase monks while they build shrines which is quite big. Also they can siege down shrines just like other units, and they move fast so they can't be killed if not by cav.
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I wonder if it's even worth it to cut corners regarding walling. Walls are ridiculously cheap. Just read your post, you're talking about 30w+ (which is about equal to a large beaver treasure). It's crazy really.
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Watch soapMctavish vs Kynesie, Game 1. Kynesie defended pretty well vs a nice rush from soap
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jerom wrote:I wonder if it''s even worth it to cut corners regarding walling. Walls are ridiculously cheap. Just read your post, you''re talking about 30w+ (which is about equal to a large beaver treasure). It''s crazy really.
Of course it is. Walling completely sux anyway. First of all it is more than 30w (more like 60w+vill working time). Secondly whenever you want to move the army somewhere you have to build a gate which is another 50w. When a player walls himself in is already somehwat of a win.
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i tried today kami cm 600w vs russia and it worked
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fingolfin wrote:i tried today kami cm 600w vs russia and it worked
Result in a day :thumbsup:
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aoe3.jpcommunity.com/aoe3/reply/index.php?mode=dl&id=AJCR13613_great%20plains

Can't check cause I don't have the game installed, but if I remember correctly, this shows Nagayumi destroying russian rush with cav start
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hf wrote:aoe3.jpcommunity.com/aoe3/reply/index.php?mode=dl&'id=AJCR13613_great%20plains

Can''t check cause I don''t have the game installed, but if I remember correctly, this shows Nagayumi destroying russian rush with cav start
Thanks for the rec. Great game from Nagayumi.
Starting with 300w crates help a lot (+ 50 wood treasure fast, he never had to put a vil on wood for the first shrine). As a result, he managed to age up at 4:45 which is a perfect timing vs a rush.
With 200w crates, it''s more difficult to hold the rush.
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hf wrote:aoe3.jpcommunity.com/aoe3/reply/index.php?mode=dl&id=AJCR13613_great%20plains

Can''t check cause I don''t have the game installed, but if I remember correctly, this shows Nagayumi destroying russian rush with cav start

thanks for posting this. I watched it and nagayumi did a nice Bo here. When this game was played? Not sure if nagi starts is better than wall + yumi or wall + nagi. Apparently yes. Everyone makes wall and nagi or wall and yumi but here nagayumi showed us his Bo is clearly better. 600g 600w without wall.
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Nope. Nagayumi's bo doesn't work vs a good rush. I also had a hope but sadly you can't build your stable if he goes all in. And you can't hold an early timing.
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Target coss with tc, use buildings as a long wall up front. A few wall segments help a lot. Start stable, wait til he comes far into your base, then pop minutes and micro very well. Can go kami/600c/5yumi/600w. That build if you feel lots of pressure. 10 ranged units deal with musks well then u just rape with nagi
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diarouga wrote:Nope. Nagayumi''s bo doesn''t work vs a good rush. I also had a hope but sadly you can''t build your stable if he goes all in. And you can''t hold an early timing.

lol. I was thinking you come here and just say nagayumi Bo doesn''t work. That''s because you think to play better than nagayumi to correct it. Come on man.. Watch this rec and you will how much easy for nagayumi is reject that rush.. Imo for nagayumi is very easy to do that and its seem easier to do also than wall + yumi where you have meet an hard time to reject the rush because of 5 fast cossack. I tried both (yumi + wall) and nagi only and I guarantee you nagi helps more to kick the rush. Nagayumi was considered the best Japan player when _h2o did not play, so I am sure he found a way to counter Russian rush
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marco1698 wrote:
diarouga wrote:Nope. Nagayumis bo doesnt work vs a good rush. I also had a hope but sadly you cant build your stable if he goes all in. And you cant hold an early timing.
lol. I was thinking you come here and just say nagayumi Bo doesnt work. Thats because you think to play better than nagayumi to correct it. Come on man.. Watch this rec and you will how much easy for nagayumi is reject that rush.. Imo for nagayumi is very easy to do that and its seem easier to do also than wall + yumi where you have meet an hard time to reject the rush because of 5 fast cossack. I tried both (yumi + wall) and nagi only and I guarantee you nagi helps more to kick the rush. Nagayumi was considered the best Japan player when _h2o did not play, so I am sure he found a way to counter Russian rush
This BO looks very good, but what happens if you get 200w crates as a start with small wood/food treasures? You age up at about 5:15. Do you still have time to build a stable and make a batch of Nagi? I find it very tough...
Any thoughts?
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adv wrote:
marco1698 wrote:lol. I was thinking you come here and just say nagayumi Bo doesnt work. Thats because you think to play better than nagayumi to correct it. Come on man.. Watch this rec and you will how much easy for nagayumi is reject that rush.. Imo for nagayumi is very easy to do that and its seem easier to do also than wall + yumi where you have meet an hard time to reject the rush because of 5 fast cossack. I tried both (yumi + wall) and nagi only and I guarantee you nagi helps more to kick the rush. Nagayumi was considered the best Japan player when _h2o did not play, so I am sure he found a way to counter Russian rush
This BO looks very good, but what happens if you get 200w crates as a start with small wood/food treasures? You age up at about 5:15. Do you still have time to build a stable and make a batch of Nagi? I find it very tough...
Any thoughts?
You can wall
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marco1698 wrote:
diarouga wrote:Nope. Nagayumis bo doesnt work vs a good rush. I also had a hope but sadly you cant build your stable if he goes all in. And you cant hold an early timing.
lol. I was thinking you come here and just say nagayumi Bo doesnt work. Thats because you think to play better than nagayumi to correct it. Come on man.. Watch this rec and you will how much easy for nagayumi is reject that rush.. Imo for nagayumi is very easy to do that and its seem easier to do also than wall + yumi where you have meet an hard time to reject the rush because of 5 fast cossack. I tried both (yumi + wall) and nagi only and I guarantee you nagi helps more to kick the rush. Nagayumi was considered the best Japan player when _h2o did not play, so I am sure he found a way to counter Russian rush

I watched this rec many times, I tested it many times and sadly it doesnt work, really.
His opponent is captain so ofc he won easily.
And btw, he has many bos vs russia, in his guide, there s a rec where he starts yumi and beats darwin.
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diarouga wrote:
marco1698 wrote:lol. I was thinking you come here and just say nagayumi Bo doesnt work. Thats because you think to play better than nagayumi to correct it. Come on man.. Watch this rec and you will how much easy for nagayumi is reject that rush.. Imo for nagayumi is very easy to do that and its seem easier to do also than wall + yumi where you have meet an hard time to reject the rush because of 5 fast cossack. I tried both (yumi + wall) and nagi only and I guarantee you nagi helps more to kick the rush. Nagayumi was considered the best Japan player when _h2o did not play, so I am sure he found a way to counter Russian rush
I watched this rec many times, I tested it many times and sadly it doesnt work, really.
His opponent is captain so ofc he won easily.
And btw, he has many bos vs russia, in his guide, there s a rec where he starts yumi and beats darwin.
Thanks for the info. His guide is hard to understand with google translate. Do you have it translated in english, or maybe you know a website that can translate japanese more accurately?
Thanks
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This is how it goes when you start with 200w crates.
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Maybe cm after kami would have helped a bit and shrine every hunt so Russia can't take it.
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The more I watch recs of this MU, the more I realize it's a difficult timing/balance to find for Japan. The TC card is a must to me (it kills stre/musc in one shot and you have 2 times mm pikes in case of Coss). Just ship Yumi and build (hide) a stable for the win.
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diarouga wrote:
marco1698 wrote:lol. I was thinking you come here and just say nagayumi Bo doesnt work. Thats because you think to play better than nagayumi to correct it. Come on man.. Watch this rec and you will how much easy for nagayumi is reject that rush.. Imo for nagayumi is very easy to do that and its seem easier to do also than wall + yumi where you have meet an hard time to reject the rush because of 5 fast cossack. I tried both (yumi + wall) and nagi only and I guarantee you nagi helps more to kick the rush. Nagayumi was considered the best Japan player when _h2o did not play, so I am sure he found a way to counter Russian rush
I watched this rec many times, I tested it many times and sadly it doesnt work, really.
His opponent is captain so ofc he won easily.
And btw, he has many bos vs russia, in his guide, there s a rec where he starts yumi and beats darwin.
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diarouga wrote:
marco1698 wrote:there s a rec where he starts yumi and beats darwin.


Lies darwin doesnt get beaten he serves freewins when hes in a good mood
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err how did i do that...
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build shrine on his hunt, wait for him to run out of hunt and lagh at his misfortune for playing against op civ japan
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