personal idea about civ balance

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 17 Sep 2015, 04:21

xbow 1.5?? heavy infantry
halbedier speed 4.5
tiger claw, disciple, rattan shield has coyote tag

spain
you can upgrade to age 2 with 400w
rodelero attack 12 2?? cavalry

dutch
bank cost 300f 300w

port
start wood crate +1

brit
manor house 140w
longbowmen 16 attack 1.5?? heavy infantry

french
cdb range resistance 30%
cuirass training time -10s

german
uhlan attack 35
war wagon traing time -10s

otto
you can't upgrade to age 2 with 400w
abus attack 35 2?? dragoon
church give 0.8xp/s, vill training boost cost 100/150/400w, vill limit cost 200/400/600g.

russia
start with 6 vills instead of 5
strelet combat give them 15% hp/attack and 2 range instead of 20% hp/attack

iro
start wood crate -1
warchief give 10% hp aura

sioux
bow rider attack 18
cetan bow cost 60f 30w. club cost 40f 40w

aztec
puma attack 10, siege attck 40, hp 150.

china
standard army contain 3 steppe rider 2 chu ko nu
forbidden army training time +15s

japan
age up to industrial with shogun give you 1000xp instead of 1600
the two advance shipment of yumi archer give them 15% attack instead of 20%

india
sepoy 180hp
camel attack give them 25% attack instead of 30%

fei123456 · Post by **fei123456** » 17 Sep 2015, 04:28

plantation cost 600w

matuiss2 · Post by **matuiss2** » 17 Sep 2015, 05:11

-50w -50f for building banks seems a little too much, but i might be wrong since i dont play then.

+1 wood crate buff for ports seems too little, they need more stuff.

Your ottos changes will make then a ff-only civ...and the changes didnt make their op ff any weaker.

Sioux BR just need penalty vs villagers it should be enough for now.

_DB_ · Post by **_DB_** » 17 Sep 2015, 05:18

paul wrote:xbow 1.5?? heavy infantry
halbedier speed 4.5
tiger claw, disciple, rattan shield has coyote tag

Who cares about halbs and xbows?

spain
you can upgrade to age 2 with 400w
rodelero attack 12 2?? cavalry

Ok. OP.

dutch
bank cost 300f 300w

Okay.

port
start wood crate +1

Okay.

brit
manor house 140w
longbowmen 16 attack 1.5?? heavy infantry

Okay. And -2 range pls.

french
cdb range resistance 30%
cuirass training time -10s

Coreur 30% RR okay. Cuir training time - 10s, no. They already have a card.

german
uhlan attack 35
war wagon traing time -10s

Okay. Nerf shipments too.

otto
you can''t upgrade to age 2 with 400w
abus attack 35 2?? dragoon
church give 0.8xp/s, vill training boost cost 100/150/400w, vill limit cost 200/400/600g.

Okay. Imo Abus should cost 75 food and 125 coin then 35 attack is okay. Don''t give otto mames. Otto age 2 range should be 16 only (Down from 18)

russia
start with 6 vills instead of 5
strelet combat give them 15% hp/attack and 2 range instead of 20% hp/attack

Okay. Nah, don''t nerf strelets, they already suck. Just make 6 opris to 5 opris. Give them free hunting dogs and musk arsenal improvements when sent advanced arsenal card. Increase range of strelet as the age, okay.

iro
start wood crate -1
warchief give 10% hp aura

Just ban iro.

sioux
bow rider attack 18
cetan bow cost 60f 30w. club cost 40f 40w

Just don''t give sioux 200 pop. Bow rider nerf okay. Who cares about sioux infantry.

aztec
puma attack 10, siege attck 40, hp 150.

Okay.

china
standard army contain 3 steppe rider 2 chu ko nu
forbidden army training time +15s

Who cares. It is almost as good as 3 bows and 2 cav. Army train time okay.

japan
age up to industrial with shogun give you 1000xp instead of 1600
the two advance shipment of yumi archer give them 15% attack instead of 20%

Just make 14 ashi to 11 ashi. Make 16 yumi to 13 yumi. 4 flames to 3 flames. Lame tokugawa should cost 750 food for sending it. Ashi speed to 4 in age 2 pls.

india
sepoy 180hp
camel attack give them 25% attack instead of 30%

Okay.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 17 Sep 2015, 05:29

You're totally changing the meta, we're in a musk meta, with your changes it would be a bow meta and you're also changing the meta of the civs.
Spain is going to be a colo civ. Etc

But tbh, your changes aren't as bad as I expected :p.

deuxballesman · Post by **deuxballesman** » 17 Sep 2015, 08:07

He is indeed changing the meta though the modifications seems quite fine to me.
Only thing that bothers me is the brits that got downgraded severely ecen if they are not a top tier civ!

Post by **edeholland** » 17 Sep 2015, 08:12

So many (unneccesary) changes that make the civs less unique and fun to play with.

yoqpasa · Post by **yoqpasa** » 17 Sep 2015, 09:10

I think making halberdiers bit faster is a good idea, atm pikes have higher speed.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 17 Sep 2015, 09:19

deuxballesman wrote:He is indeed changing the meta though the modifications seems quite fine to me.
Only thing that bothers me is the brits that got downgraded severely ecen if they are not a top tier civ!

Brit is a top civ.

deuxballesman · Post by **deuxballesman** » 17 Sep 2015, 09:34

I know they are good but I don't consider them as OP as iro or otto as I feel like they already struggle against german on tp map for example.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 17 Sep 2015, 09:36

Ofc they are very far from iro/otto but pn tp maps they should beat ger (and ger is better than average).

lusas · Post by **lusas** » 17 Sep 2015, 10:18

I dont agree with some changes , but some ideas are good and already were part of prevous FP .

[span style="font-size:12pt'"]I never understand why Yumi archer has a 1.5 x bonus v Inf and xbows havent or Lb , Yumi has more HP , atack and bonus atack , 100 hp ,19 atack , 18 range x1.5 bonus inf wich makes [/span]
[span style="font-size:12pt'"]always said that warchiefs and tad new civs broke the game , i woud prefer tad with out them.[/span]

[span style="font-size:12pt'"]Yumi a very counter V muskets and costs less compared lb. Its why in brits mirror its Musket v musket and not Lb v muskets because lb<'musket but yumi>' musket . Lets say i cant beat a jap has brits with only muskets but Yumi can beat a Brit pure musk.[/span]

[span style="font-size:12pt'"]And Diarouga says : Muskets meta , , ok i understand but no civ exceptions because YUMI is breaking u musket META !!![/span]![span style="font-size:12pt'"]!, then u have to fix Yumi to a 1,3 bonus and also decrease chu ku nu bonus v inf. THIS CLEAR FOR ANY FP MAKER . I undertand xbows should be a pike counter and not a musket counter , but Yumi should not be a musket counter neither!!![/span]

[span style="font-size:12pt'"]I propose for FAIR META TO GIVE A 1.3 BONUS TO ALL ARCHER ' XBOW CLASS NO civ EXEPTION[/span]

[span style="font-size:12pt'"]Maybe a 1.4 bonus for archers and xbow units agaisnt inf could be tested ,1.5 is too high . 1.4 could be good , it allows xbow to be use more while respect muskets meta. Of course u can say french and german would get the most of it , but u can nerf them a bit somewhere.[/span]

[span style="font-size:12pt'"]HALBERDIERS : not used in the game , when u see that pikes have 5 speed its totally fair that halbs should have 4.5 . HAs it is 4 , makes them not usable in the game. Of course the most help civ would be dutch , but they are underpower anyway .[/span]

[span style="font-size:12pt'"]COyote runner _>' change speed from 6,25 to 6 , atack 17 from(18)[/span]

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 17 Sep 2015, 13:08

diarouga wrote:Ofc they are very far from iro/otto but pn tp maps they should beat ger (and ger is better than average).

How do you beat germany as brit?

deuxballesman · Post by **deuxballesman** » 17 Sep 2015, 13:18

Just hope he doesn't micro his vet uhlans ')

edehollandsbrother · Post by **edehollandsbrother** » 17 Sep 2015, 13:23

I really like the idea of halberdiers with 4.5 speed, they are almost unused right now unlike similar units like changdao.

zoom · Post by **zoom** » 17 Sep 2015, 13:30

It's not in my interest to comment on the entire list extensively, but I will say that I disapprove of a Halberdier speed increase. In my mind the unit is clearly supposed to be slow by design. I would rather increase stats slightly after making the unit (along with all others) Colonial Age stats based:

?? Halberdier hitpoints increased from ~166.67 to 175. Damage increased from ~20.83 to 21 (Russian Halberdiers adjusted accordingly).

zoom · Post by **zoom** » 17 Sep 2015, 13:32

edehollandsbrother wrote:I really like the idea of halberdiers with 4.5 speed, they are almost unused right now unlike similar units like changdao.

Changdao are something in between a Pikeman and a Halberdier though, with significantly worse stats than the latter and worse effectiveness against cavalry than the former.

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 17 Sep 2015, 13:49

Jesus Christ now that there's a new fan patch every noob knows exactly what changes need to be made.....

zoom · Post by **zoom** » 17 Sep 2015, 14:58

People are merely expressing their opinions on select balance issues. I don't see the problem.

S_I_D · Post by **S_I_D** » 17 Sep 2015, 15:25

edeholland wrote:So many (unneccesary) changes that make the civs less unique and fun to play with.

+1,
The only thing I agree with is giving Halbs more speed, might actually make them a somewhat usable unit.

I don''t think all the civs should be changed... Civs that overpowered and underpowered should be changed to make them usable and fair. Too many changes will just dull everything down and make civs less unique like what Ede said.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 17 Sep 2015, 16:22

ovi12 wrote:
diarouga wrote:Ofc they are very far from iro/otto but pn tp maps they should beat ger (and ger is better than average).
How do you beat germany as brit?

few lb+mass pikes+few huss.

zoom · Post by **zoom** » 17 Sep 2015, 16:37

Disciples already have the coyoteman tag, by the way.

aenna · Post by **aenna** » 17 Sep 2015, 17:09

paul wrote:otto
abus attack 35 2?? dragoon

iro
start wood crate -1
warchief give 10% hp aura

Otto:
[ul type="disc"][li]Abus guns now slaughter dragoons single handedly??!?!?? Are you crazy, this just makes the micro pointless, you just kill the goons by doing nothing now.[/li][/ul][div]Iro:
[ul type="disc"][li]-1 wood crate means no more TP on most maps, this seriously fucks them over bigtime.[/li][li]The -5hp aura is okay, I mean suddenly their 5% weaker in all fights, but it''s understandable due to the civ''s massing ability.[/li][/ul]
I rather you get rid of the warchief aura completely, buff up warchief stats a little, than to get rid of the wood crate. Hell just make all travois age 1 travois, so they can''t make a forward warhut. Suddenly you have about 30-60 more seconds to get units out, should be slightly slower getting infantry out than Russia.
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Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 17 Sep 2015, 17:14

diarouga wrote:
ovi12 wrote:How do you beat germany as brit?
few lb+mass pikes+few huss.

700w 600w 700g 6 musk?

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 17 Sep 2015, 17:18

ovi12 wrote:
diarouga wrote:few lb+mass pikes+few huss.
700w 600w 700g 6 musk?

6lb*

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