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Post by momuuu »

I skimmed through the suggestions, and many seem fair gameplay wise.

The only one I have an issue with is the abus change. Thats more a buff than a nerf. Plus with these changes, I dont think otto is getting much weaker.
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I dont like your spain change. Juste up their ship (6+6 rodo, 8/9 rodo, 4/5 lancer) and give 40 imperial dog for revo (because i want <3 ). Also, too many change, not necessary. This patch isn't aoe4.
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aenna wrote:
paul wrote:otto
abus attack 35 2?? dragoon

iro
start wood crate -1
warchief give 10% hp aura
Otto:
[ul type="disc"][li]Abus guns now slaughter dragoons single handedly??!?!?? Are you crazy, this just makes the micro pointless, you just kill the goons by doing nothing now.[/li][/ul][div]Iro:
[ul type="disc"][li]-1 wood crate means no more TP on most maps, this seriously fucks them over bigtime.[/li][li]The -5hp aura is okay, I mean suddenly their 5% weaker in all fights, but its understandable due to the civs massing ability.[/li][/ul]
I rather you get rid of the warchief aura completely, buff up warchief stats a little, than to get rid of the wood crate. Hell just make all travois age 1 travois, so they cant make a forward warhut. Suddenly you have about 30-60 more seconds to get units out, should be slightly slower getting infantry out than Russia.
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I think you misunderstand the meaning of the Abus Gun change: The effective light cavalry multiplier with this multiplier of 2 would be 1. I would definitely decrease Abus Damage a little further however.

Discovery Age Travois can construct buildings of any age as they become available.
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zoom wrote:
aenna wrote:Otto:
[ul type="disc"][li]Abus guns now slaughter dragoons single handedly??!?!?? Are you crazy, this just makes the micro pointless, you just kill the goons by doing nothing now.[/li][/ul][div]Iro:
[ul type="disc"][li]-1 wood crate means no more TP on most maps, this seriously fucks them over bigtime.[/li][li]The -5hp aura is okay, I mean suddenly their 5% weaker in all fights, but its understandable due to the civs massing ability.[/li][/ul]
I rather you get rid of the warchief aura completely, buff up warchief stats a little, than to get rid of the wood crate. Hell just make all travois age 1 travois, so they cant make a forward warhut. Suddenly you have about 30-60 more seconds to get units out, should be slightly slower getting infantry out than Russia.
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I think you misunderstand the meaning of the Abus Gun change: The effective light cavalry multiplier with this multiplier of 2 would be 1. I would definitely decrease Abus Damage a little further however.

Discovery Age Travois can construct buildings of any age as they become available.
it cant make rax and tp
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Is it just the Stabl?? My bad then.
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BALANCE CHANGES
General
? Crossbowman ,Long bow and Yumi,: Multiplier against Heavy Infantry changed to ??1.35 )
? Mercenary shipments 10% faster
? Advanced arsenal reduced costs upgrades by 20%
? Bishop politician now provides 2 Settlers, 1 Priest, and 1 Church Wagon.
? Priest: Cost reduced
? Rice paddles cost to 600w
. Halberdiers resistance + 10%
. TP increase cost + 15 % wood
. Revolution increased cost by 20%
. Artillery foundry costs 200 wood

Civs Changes:

OTTOMANS
? Janissary hit points decreased by 5%
? Abus Gun train time increase) by 10 %
? Abus Gun ranged attacks decreased by 15%

? IROQUOIS
? Warchief special attack reduce by 50%
? 3 vile card change 2 vile
.5 vile card change to 4 vile


PORTUGUESE
. Settlers cost 85 food

SIOUX
? Bow Rider hit points and attack reduce by 15%

SPANISH
? Effect of Unction increased to 6% per Missionary.
? Receives free gang saw upgrade from start of the game

DUTCH
? Royal Mint and Textile Mills cards add +15% to bank auto gather rate

AZTECS

.Coyote runner -1 atack
.Macehualtin reduced bonus from 2x to 1.5x V Heavy infantary

CHINA
? 11 Changdao Swordsmen shipment changed to 10 Changdao Swordsmen.
? 14 Qiang Pikemen shipment to 13 Qiang Pikemen.
? 13 cho ku nu shipment to 12.
? Increase Arqubuser by cost of 10 coin.


FRENCH
? Coureur De Bois ranged resistance reduced by 0.1

INDIA
? Sepoy hit points reduced by 10%
? Mansabdar Sepoy hit points reduced by 10%.
? Urumi attack reduced by 20%

JAPANESE
? Yumi Archer -1 atack,


GERMAN
Ulah atack reduced 10%
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Only the age 1 travois, when you age to age 2 (which, for no particular reason, gives you a travois), you can also make a war hut I think, not sure if it can make a TP.

Iro is such a sick civ. They can age up with 250w plus fast age up, and start with ~350w + decent food crates XD
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[quote="lusas"]BALANCE CHANGES
General
? Crossbowman ,Long bow and Yumi,: Multiplier against Heavy Infantry changed to ??1.35 )
? Mercenary shipments 10% faster
? Advanced arsenal reduced costs upgrades by 20%
? Bishop politician now provides 2 Settlers, 1 Priest, and 1 Church Wagon.
? Priest: Cost reduced
? Rice paddles cost to 600w
. Halberdiers resistance + 10%
. TP increase cost + 15 % wood
. Revolution increased cost by 20%
. Artillery foundry costs 200 wood

Civs Changes:

OTTOMANS
? Janissary hit points decreased by 5%
? Abus Gun train time increase) by 10 %
? Abus Gun ranged attacks decreased by 15%

? IROQUOIS
? Warchief special attack reduce by 50%
? 3 vile card change 2 vile
.5 vile card change to 4 vile


PORTUGUESE
. Settlers cost 85 food

SIOUX
? Bow Rider hit points and attack reduce by 15%

SPANISH
? Effect of Unction increased to 6% per Missionary.
? Receives free gang saw upgrade from start of the game

DUTCH
? Royal Mint and Textile Mills cards add +15% to bank auto gather rate

AZTECS

.Coyote runner -1 atack
.Macehualtin reduced bonus from 2x to 1.5x V Heavy infantary

CHINA
? 11 Changdao Swordsmen shipment changed to 10 Changdao Swordsmen.
? 14 Qiang Pikemen shipment to 13 Qiang Pikemen.
? 13 cho ku nu shipment to 12.
? Increase Arqubuser by cost of 10 coin.


FRENCH
? Coureur De Bois ranged resistance reduced by 0.1

INDIA
? Sepoy hit points reduced by 10%
? Mansabdar Sepoy hit points reduced by 10%.
? Urumi attack reduced by 20%

JAPANESE
? Yumi Archer -1 atack,


GERMAN
Ulah atack reduced 10%


[quote]


So many changes... This will be an entirely new game, why would you do this?

Aztec are fine as they are. Iro changes are dumb. China... Do you seriously think someone has 14 pikemen and chu ko nu in their decks?

Spanish get gang saw... But why? The only wood they gather up to like 9 min mark is wood for the transition trading post.

Changing tp cost will cause new meta for all civs, why would you do that?

The idea of better gather rate for banks from cards is very viable IMO.

Revolt... The problem is that if you pull it off early it is op, but later in the game it is useless. Hussar revolt is op, other ones are bad. I like what they did to revolt in Napoleonic era, they made new revolutionary shipments and buffed weak revolutionaries:
- Hussars + dragoons with free arsenal and guard upgrades.
- Skirmishers with free arsenal upgrades and guard status.
- Card that makes all unit upgrades free.

Santander: 3 ironclads + imperial warship upgrades.
Bolivar: 10 militia, 2 Gatling guns, 5% unit boost.
L''ouverture: 20 militia + 10% militia hp.
Washington: 5 Gatling guns + 25% Gatling gun hp.

These are big changes that should not be in the patch, but I like them quite a lot.
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jerom wrote:Only the age 1 travois, when you age to age 2 (which, for no particular reason, gives you a travois), you can also make a war hut I think, not sure if it can make a TP.

Iro is such a sick civ. They can age up with 250w plus fast age up, and start with ~350w + decent food crates XD



It can''t make a tp.

Yeah they are a sick civ with many options and possibilities. You can even turn your starting travois into a farm, chop for a house, send fulling mills after 3 vills, age with 2 travois politician and spam from 2 warhuts using food from cows. 70+ units at 8 min on maps with good livestock.
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zoom wrote:
aenna wrote:Otto:
[ul type="disc"][li]Abus guns now slaughter dragoons single handedly??!?!?? Are you crazy, this just makes the micro pointless, you just kill the goons by doing nothing now.[/li][/ul][div]Iro:
[ul type="disc"][li]-1 wood crate means no more TP on most maps, this seriously fucks them over bigtime.[/li][li]The -5hp aura is okay, I mean suddenly their 5% weaker in all fights, but its understandable due to the civs massing ability.[/li][/ul]
I rather you get rid of the warchief aura completely, buff up warchief stats a little, than to get rid of the wood crate. Hell just make all travois age 1 travois, so they cant make a forward warhut. Suddenly you have about 30-60 more seconds to get units out, should be slightly slower getting infantry out than Russia.
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I think you misunderstand the meaning of the Abus Gun change: The effective light cavalry multiplier with this multiplier of 2 would be 1. I would definitely decrease Abus Damage a little further however.

Discovery Age Travois can construct buildings of any age as they become available.
I dont think you understand. Currently Abus deal 40 x1.5 to LC, thats a total of 60. This guy wants to have 35 x2 vs LC, which is a total of 70. Thats a 17% buff vs Goons. WHICH is insane.

The Discovery Age Travois has Warhuts disabled on them. It would also never become available, where did you ever hear otherwise?
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Post by kapor »

edeholland wrote:So many (unneccesary) changes that make the civs less unique and fun to play with.
+1
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Post by lemmings121 »

OK, no now's my turn to make a list.

Oto:
Abus do regular ranged dmg, so units rr have efect
5 mam card now is only 4 mams

Iro
-100w start
can't fast age up with a travois to colo.


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DONT change a lot of stuff in all civs. ESO tried that 20 times, and failed miserably every single time.
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aenna wrote:
zoom wrote:I think you misunderstand the meaning of the Abus Gun change: The effective light cavalry multiplier with this multiplier of 2 would be 1. I would definitely decrease Abus Damage a little further however.

Discovery Age Travois can construct buildings of any age as they become available.
I dont think you understand. Currently Abus deal 40 x1.5 to LC, thats a total of 60. This guy wants to have 35 x2 vs LC, which is a total of 70. Thats a 17% buff vs Goons. WHICH is insane.

The Discovery Age Travois has Warhuts disabled on them. It would also never become available, where did you ever hear otherwise?
Currently Abus Guns deal 40x1.5x0.5 to LC for an effective multiplier of 0.75 and total of 30 damage. What OP wants to have is 35x2x0.5 which is a total of 35.
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edehollandsbrother wrote:I really like the idea of halberdiers with 4.5 speed, they are almost unused right now unlike similar units like changdao.
that would be a problem with the dutch halberdiers. their speed was nerved in a earlier patch, because the speed with upgrade card ( and arsenal upgrade?) was totaly op. experienced themselves...
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Wall should be 6 times more expensive (30wood/pieces).
Abus gun damage to 25.
Ashigaru musket speed reduce to 4.0' cost 80 food 30 coin' get 11 xp for train.
Aenna cost 80 food 20 wood and it has 4,5 speed.
Grenadier 1,5x damage against infantry.
Doppelsoldner cost 80 food and 100 coin. You get 18 xp for train.
Cetan bow speed 4.5.
Crossbowman range to 18, ranged resist reduce to 10%.
Wakina rifle range to 20.
Rajput cost 90 food 30 wood. 12 xp.
Landsknecht 4.5 speed.
Bow rider damage to 17.
Culverin 6x damage vs artillery.
Coyote runner damage reduce to 15.

All mercenaries in age 3 costs 800 coin. Mameluke card should be moved to age 4.
Iro town destroyer card gives only 700% plus damage vs buildings. Remove iro explorers shoot ability.
Remove 1 travois from fast age up option with iro.
Spain should get more units from shipments.
Japan shrine build limit to 7. They support 30 population (max pop still 200).
Decrease all tad and twc heroes hp to the same as eu ones.
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Post by [Armag] diarouga »

Funiest is japan shrine build limit to 7 lol.
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Japan is a very easy civ. You dont need mapcontroll. You cant be raided. Why should it be the best eco civ too if its one of the safest civ to play? + lategame it has the best upgrades. I think it should be micro civ rather than eco...
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"All mercenaries in age 3 costs 800 coin. Mameluke card should be moved to age 4.
Iro town destroyer card gives only 700% plus damage vs buildings. Remove iro explorers shoot ability.
Remove 1 travois from fast age up option with iro.
Japan shrine build limit to 7. They support 30 population (max pop still 200).

This is a joke???
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dsy wrote:Wall should be 6 times more expensive (30wood/pieces).
Abus gun damage to 25.
Ashigaru musket speed reduce to 4.0' cost 80 food 30 coin' get 11 xp for train.
Aenna cost 80 food 20 wood and it has 4,5 speed.
Grenadier 1,5x damage against infantry.
Doppelsoldner cost 80 food and 100 coin. You get 18 xp for train.
Cetan bow speed 4.5.
Crossbowman range to 18, ranged resist reduce to 10%.
Wakina rifle range to 20.
Rajput cost 90 food 30 wood. 12 xp.
Landsknecht 4.5 speed.
Bow rider damage to 17.
Culverin 6x damage vs artillery.
Coyote runner damage reduce to 15.

All mercenaries in age 3 costs 800 coin. Mameluke card should be moved to age 4.
Iro town destroyer card gives only 700% plus damage vs buildings. Remove iro explorers shoot ability.
Remove 1 travois from fast age up option with iro.
Spain should get more units from shipments.
Japan shrine build limit to 7. They support 30 population (max pop still 200).
Decrease all tad and twc heroes hp to the same as eu ones.




I agree for Japan shrine build limit to 7. They support 30 population (max pop still 200).
because they can fram at tower center
cavalry can''t anti them

it op they can go at tc. ez
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I agree with Dsy. Instead of allowing age3 mams/elmeti for nilla civs, can't we make them only available in age 4 (for all civs) ?
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dsy wrote:Wall should be 6 times more expensive (30wood/pieces).
Abus gun damage to 25.
Ashigaru musket speed reduce to 4.0' cost 80 food 30 coin' get 11 xp for train.
Aenna cost 80 food 20 wood and it has 4,5 speed.
Grenadier 1,5x damage against infantry.
Doppelsoldner cost 80 food and 100 coin. You get 18 xp for train.
Cetan bow speed 4.5.
Crossbowman range to 18, ranged resist reduce to 10%.
Wakina rifle range to 20.
Rajput cost 90 food 30 wood. 12 xp.
Landsknecht 4.5 speed.
Bow rider damage to 17.
Culverin 6x damage vs artillery.
Coyote runner damage reduce to 15.

All mercenaries in age 3 costs 800 coin. Mameluke card should be moved to age 4.
Iro town destroyer card gives only 700% plus damage vs buildings. Remove iro explorers shoot ability.
Remove 1 travois from fast age up option with iro.
Spain should get more units from shipments.
Japan shrine build limit to 7. They support 30 population (max pop still 200).
Decrease all tad and twc heroes hp to the same as eu ones.




lol, just lol.
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shaolinstar wrote:I agree with Dsy. Instead of allowing age3 mams/elmeti for nilla civs, can''t we make them only available in age 4 (for all civs) ?
this is already a change released on the main page.
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britishmusketeer wrote:
shaolinstar wrote:I agree with Dsy. Instead of allowing age3 mams/elmeti for nilla civs, cant we make them only available in age 4 (for all civs) ?
this is already a change released on the main page.
Now its available for all civs in age3 not age4.
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shaolinstar wrote:
britishmusketeer wrote:this is already a change released on the main page.
Now its available for all civs in age3 not age4.
?Elmeti, Mamelukes and Lil bombards will be untrainable in fortress age.

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