Iroquois Mongolia strategy

[yurashic]

I designed this build order some time ago and it seems very strong.

- Convert your starting travois into a farm.
- Chop for a house and build a tp.
- Look for cows and task them to the farm.
- Ship 3 vills followed by fulling mills (300% livestock gather rate increase)
- Age up with the shaman (2 travois)
- Build a market and research hunting dogs in transition.
- Convert 2 travois into 2 warhuts. Ship 600 wood for houses.
- Eat fully fattened cows and spam from 2 warhuts.

What do you guys think?

[edeholland]

I think it's fine, but don't think you need fulling mills, you already gather over 2 times as fast from livestock. Rather do fast age up with 600w to spam war huts.

[Papist]

I think it''s fine, but don''t think you need fulling mills, you already gather over 2 times as fast from livestock. Rather do fast age up with 600w to spam war huts.

It would be very MU dependent. But against a civ like Port that punish it, it sounds really OP. However, if you want to hurt your opponent ASAP, it probably isn''t the way to go.

[edehollandsbrother]

Let us do the math on fulling mills. Let n denote the number of fulling fattened cows (500 food apiece). The base gather rate for livestock is 2/sec so after fulling mills it is 8/sec. Thus the number of villager seconds saved by fulling mills is 500n(1/2 - 1/8). For a typical value n = 8, fulling mills saves 1500 villager seconds.
This can be compared to shipments like 600w, which is worth 1200 villager seconds, or 7 aenna worth 833 villager seconds.
We find that if you have a fair number of fully fattened cows, fulling mills is an extremely efficient age 1/2 shipment!

[edeholland]

Let us do the math on fulling mills. Let n denote the number of fulling fattened cows (500 food apiece). The base gather rate for livestock is 2/sec so after fulling mills it is 8/sec. Thus the number of villager seconds saved by fulling mills is 500n(1/2 - 1/8). For a typical value n = 8, fulling mills saves 1500 villager seconds.
This can be compared to shipments like 600w, which is worth 1200 villager seconds, or 7 aenna worth 833 villager seconds.
We find that if you have a fair number of fully fattened cows, fulling mills is an extremely efficient age 1/2 shipment!

Nice calculation, but, after how many minutes will you be able to make use of this? When will the cows be fattened.

Also, it might be hard to get a whole lot of cows when you want to make a trading post.

And, do you have enough shipments in age 2 to send 600w or a unit shipment? You have to buy time before the card comes into play.

[yurashic]

Let us do the math on fulling mills. Let n denote the number of fulling fattened cows (500 food apiece). The base gather rate for livestock is 2/sec so after fulling mills it is 8/sec. Thus the number of villager seconds saved by fulling mills is 500n(1/2 - 1/8). For a typical value n = 8, fulling mills saves 1500 villager seconds.
This can be compared to shipments like 600w, which is worth 1200 villager seconds, or 7 aenna worth 833 villager seconds.
We find that if you have a fair number of fully fattened cows, fulling mills is an extremely efficient age 1/2 shipment!

Nice calculation, but, after how many minutes will you be able to make use of this? When will the cows be fattened.

Also, it might be hard to get a whole lot of cows when you want to make a trading post.?

And, do you have enough shipments in age 2 to send 600w or a unit shipment? You have to buy time before the card comes into play.

Cows on the farm take exactly 4 minutes to fatten.

Because you build a tp and age slowly you have a shipment when you reach age 2.

[yurashic]

Let us do the math on fulling mills. Let n denote the number of fulling fattened cows (500 food apiece). The base gather rate for livestock is 2/sec so after fulling mills it is 8/sec. Thus the number of villager seconds saved by fulling mills is 500n(1/2 - 1/8). For a typical value n = 8, fulling mills saves 1500 villager seconds.
This can be compared to shipments like 600w, which is worth 1200 villager seconds, or 7 aenna worth 833 villager seconds.
We find that if you have a fair number of fully fattened cows, fulling mills is an extremely efficient age 1/2 shipment!

My exact thoughts. If you gather 8 food per second instead of 2 and get 10 cows it is like 4000 food gathered in the time you could gather 1000.

[britishmusketeer]

Let us do the math on fulling mills. Let n denote the number of fulling fattened cows (500 food apiece). The base gather rate for livestock is 2/sec so after fulling mills it is 8/sec. Thus the number of villager seconds saved by fulling mills is 500n(1/2 - 1/8). For a typical value n = 8, fulling mills saves 1500 villager seconds.
This can be compared to shipments like 600w, which is worth 1200 villager seconds, or 7 aenna worth 833 villager seconds.
We find that if you have a fair number of fully fattened cows, fulling mills is an extremely efficient age 1/2 shipment!

Also the faster you gather the cow, the less it decays

[anonymousv2]

Fulling mills is just hella greedy. I would skip that and ship 5 vills or 7 aenna instead. I like the starting farm a lot of xp and increased food potenetial, especially in the late game.

[adderbrain5]

Nice calculation, but, after how many minutes will you be able to make use of this? When will the cows be fattened.

Also, it might be hard to get a whole lot of cows when you want to make a trading post.?

And, do you have enough shipments in age 2 to send 600w or a unit shipment? You have to buy time before the card comes into play.

Cows on the farm take exactly 4 minutes to fatten.

Because you build a tp and age slowly you have a shipment when you reach age 2.

how is that possible that must only be fully upgraded