dealing with russia as brits and japan

mnogud · Post by **mnogud** » 24 Oct 2015, 20:04

well people usually say russia sucks, but i find it so hard to deal with a strelet cossack rush as these 2 civs. if russia scouts that i am going rax first they can rush with 23 strelets which are impossible to deal with using infantry... and if u ship LI they will ship 5 cossacks.... and as these 2 civs find it difficult to get the first full batch of cav, it becomes really tough if u dont wall... also if u start stable they can make strelets and ship 5 and 4 cossacks... HOW THE HELL TO DEAL WITH IT ?

360noob · Post by **360noob** » 24 Oct 2015, 20:36

Wall and yumi should be enough to hold til you stabalized

Hazza54321 · Post by **Hazza54321** » 24 Oct 2015, 22:09

start huss as brit, wall and yumi as japan,

mnogud · Post by **mnogud** » 25 Oct 2015, 11:59

hazza54321 wrote:start huss as brit, wall and yumi as japan,

5 cossack 10 strelets in ur base and u cant gather to get 5 huss

gibson · Post by **gibson** » 25 Oct 2015, 12:08

mnogud wrote:
hazza54321 wrote:start huss as brit, wall and yumi as japan,
5 cossack 10 strelets in ur base and u cant gather to get 5 huss

well brit should age at a similar time as Russia so I dont see why you wouldnt be able to gather for a few hus......

tedere12 · Post by **tedere12** » 25 Oct 2015, 12:08

call mm if close to tc and destroy them all np

tedere12 · Post by **tedere12** » 25 Oct 2015, 12:11

brit age faster than russia 14 vills

britishmusketeer · Post by **britishmusketeer** » 25 Oct 2015, 12:19

mnogud wrote:
hazza54321 wrote:start huss as brit, wall and yumi as japan,
5 cossack 10 strelets in ur base and u cant gather to get 5 huss

its not about getting 5 huss. Its about raiding to force them to send stuff back to deal with your raids. You hold off at your base with tower + tc fire until you send your huss back and kill their army with mm and a 6 musket shipment

Method_man714 · Post by **Method_man714** » 25 Oct 2015, 12:47

Forget it, it's a hopeless match up, Russia just wins. Sometime I ship 4 cross First instead of 5 cause your opponent pauses and thinks this guy is retarded, and that split second of hesitation gives you more of an edge than the extra Cossack, also because that extra Cossack is a pessimist, and drags the others down making them a weaker group

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 25 Oct 2015, 13:27

As brit, start cav and go lb/cav, he can't really beat it since he'll be super outmassed.

As japan, you have to shrine boom while walling+cm, if he goes full strel send the daymio to trap them. Then go nagis, raid and try to age3, this MU is quite hard tho, russia just win.

Hazza54321 · Post by **Hazza54321** » 25 Oct 2015, 13:32

mnogud wrote:
hazza54321 wrote:start huss as brit, wall and yumi as japan,
5 cossack 10 strelets in ur base and u cant gather to get 5 huss

brit age 20secs earlier, you can easily get 5huss by the time he has 5 musk/ 10 strelet 5 coss, you can trap with 5 huss plus mm if he overcommits, if he doesnt, then just raid the shit out of him as he cant protect his vills well. Unless you have bad hunts, if russia rush, they will lose

Hazza54321 · Post by **Hazza54321** » 25 Oct 2015, 13:34

diarouga wrote:As brit, start cav and go lb/cav, he can''t really beat it since he''ll be super outmassed.

As japan, you have to shrine boom while walling+cm, if he goes full strel send the daymio to trap them. Then go nagis, raid and try to age3, this MU is quite hard tho, russia just win.

lb cav? Your joking right?

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 25 Oct 2015, 13:43

hazza54321 wrote:
diarouga wrote:As brit, start cav and go lb/cav, he cant really beat it since hell be super outmassed.

As japan, you have to shrine boom while walling+cm, if he goes full strel send the daymio to trap them. Then go nagis, raid and try to age3, this MU is quite hard tho, russia just win.
lb cav? Your joking right?

Not at all, lb rape musk ofc and coss as long as theyre not in hand combat.

Hazza54321 · Post by **Hazza54321** » 25 Oct 2015, 13:45

diarouga wrote:
hazza54321 wrote: lb cav? Your joking right?
Not at all, lb rape musk ofc and coss as long as theyre not in hand combat.

wanna test?

mnogud · Post by **mnogud** » 25 Oct 2015, 13:54

diarouga wrote:
hazza54321 wrote: lb cav? Your joking right?
Not at all, lb rape musk ofc and coss as long as theyre not in hand combat.

what about strelet cossack?

Papist · Post by **Papist** » 25 Oct 2015, 14:34

mnogud wrote:
diarouga wrote:Not at all, lb rape musk ofc and coss as long as theyre not in hand combat.
what about strelet cossack?

Strelet/cossack is countered by huss and mm. Just trap the Russians units under your tc and rape him. 20 strelet and some cossacks is not nearly enough to deal with 5 huss and an mm pop. A smart player will back off and forfeit his fast aggression advantage, giving you the win, while a bad player will over-commit and get killed in your base, also giving you the win.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 25 Oct 2015, 15:25

mnogud wrote:
diarouga wrote:Not at all, lb rape musk ofc and coss as long as theyre not in hand combat.
what about strelet cossack?

Strel are useless vs cav while lb are goon.

Hazza54321 · Post by **Hazza54321** » 25 Oct 2015, 20:16

diarouga wrote:
hazza54321 wrote: lb cav? Your joking right?
Not at all, lb rape musk ofc and coss as long as theyre not in hand combat.

lets 1v1 like adults

Einfein · Post by **Einfein** » 26 Oct 2015, 00:34

mnogud wrote:...it becomes really tough if u dont wall... also if u start stable they can make strelets and ship 5 and 4 cossacks...

Russia in my experience doesn''t do well with smartly placed walls early on. If you''re having trouble getting your first batch of five hussar out then you should probably examine your build order. Some people will disagree, but when I play against russia I almost always start with hussar. With proper micro and a smart MM pop you should be able to break russia''s early colonial pressure and go on the offensive. Strong cavalry (when used well) can really spoil russia''s day. When their cossacks are in your TC''s range you need to make sure it is targeting them and not strelets.

Be sure you''re not trying to completely wall yourself in. Walls don''t need to stop an aggressive player from getting into your base, it just needs to force them to attack from a bad position or take longer to get to their primary target. Building placement is also key for this same reason.

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 26 Oct 2015, 06:21

hazza54321 wrote:
diarouga wrote:Not at all, lb rape musk ofc and coss as long as theyre not in hand combat.
lets 1v1 like adults

I remember a game where I went lb/pike vs your russian and it was brutal. Lb/huss would be the same ')

Marco1698 · Post by **Marco1698** » 26 Oct 2015, 06:52

As brits just play defensive, outpost helps and you can deal the timings with mm and Tc fire. Your score will be higher than Russian, when you send the upgrades for huss and musk Russian can't win anymore. If he ages3 you just do the same and send more upgrades. I personally think the civ who wins here, is just because of the map.
No hunt map = Russian wins
Food is balanced = brits wins

Hazza54321 · Post by **Hazza54321** » 26 Oct 2015, 11:32

diarouga wrote:
hazza54321 wrote:lets 1v1 like adults
I remember a game where I went lb/pike vs your russian and it was brutal. Lb/huss would be the same ')

i remember a game where you went musk huss and it was close ')

Hazza54321 · Post by **Hazza54321** » 26 Oct 2015, 11:33

marco1698 wrote:As brits just play defensive, outpost helps and you can deal the timings with mm and Tc fire. Your score will be higher than Russian, when you send the upgrades for huss and musk Russian can''t win anymore. If he ages3 you just do the same and send more upgrades. I personally think the civ who wins here, is just because of the map.
No hunt map = Russian wins
Food is balanced = brits wins

russia wins late age 2 because of their better eco and map control

[Armag] diarouga · Post by **[Armag] diarouga** » 26 Oct 2015, 11:43

Yeah if the brit goes musk/huss it is close then.

r4go · Post by **r4go** » 26 Oct 2015, 11:50

the problem vs russia is not his fast rush, easy to hold the first rush whit tower tc or wall. For me is just the moent you choose to hold it, in the first minutes russia doesn't have good eco and if losts his units you can easy own them whit jap or brits. The only problem whit russia is their mass, but in the first 8-10 minutes if you crap them they are out. The map controll is right, but on the new ESO map there isn't a great possibility of cut you off to get resourece, you have 2-3 herds and 2-3 gold mine, lot of woods in your tc. You have to use builds as wall. Brits >>> russia and russia jap is a fair MU in the first 8 minutes, then jap win it easy

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