Dutch vs agressive spanish FF

[Templar_]

Hi guys, i have a question. How to play againstan aggressive spanish FF for Dutch(on nilla)? The only thing I could think of is the 2 bank ff (700g, 700w) with age up on 6:40-6:50 minute and stable and rax ready. So I can successfully resist them pikemen and musketeers at the beginning and even destroy falc then, but I will sooner or later run out of resources and can not get out of its base due to their larger mass.

[yemshi]

You lose.

[momuuu]

Almost unwinnable. Mass ruyters would be your best bet I think.

[gibson]

If the Spain player plays correctly I don't think you can win......

[yemshi]

Even if he doesn't lol

[[Armag] diarouga]

You can't really but you should try to kill his tower (something like 700w/8pikes), and then go age 3 and mass ruyt.

[momuuu]

Maybe some sort of pike skirm rush has the best winrate due to the surprise factor?

[yemshi]

You'll never have enough to get down 7rods,4 huss, mm, tc,(tower), dogs, hero and vills before he ages and sends cannons.

[[Armag] diarouga]

Sometimes an age 2 play can work.
Like bank while aging, 2nd bank from 400w and 2banks from 700w. Then send 600w and build market+house+stable+rax and skirm/huss. Then go 8pikes and try to take down the falcs, then you should win.

[Darwin_]

Cant really do it because spain ff army has very high siege damage, so your banks will be killed very quickly.

[[Armag] diarouga]

Cant really do it because spain ff army has very high siege damage, so your banks will be killed very quickly.

If you stay age 2 you can lol.

[momuuu]

Age 2 is probably more hopeful, although it still isnt.

[sdsanft]

What is your pr? I honestly rarely ever see any Spain players in Nilla except for maybe occasionally in team games. I'm just wondering because I'm curious.

[[Armag] diarouga]

Spain is the best civ in nilla xD. Sadly, only okish player can play it and nilla players are just trash.

[Darwin_]

Cant really do it because spain ff army has very high siege damage, so your banks will be killed very quickly.

If you stay age 2 you can lol.

What would you do in age 2? Pike rush? Skirm/huss timing?

[[Armag] diarouga]

Cant really do it because spain ff army has very high siege damage, so your banks will be killed very quickly.

If you stay age 2 you can lol.

What would you do in age 2? Pike rush? Skirm/huss timing?

I told you, just go eco with 4 banks+market, and then hold with skirm/huss+ 8pikes.

[bart331]

Depends on map whether a 3 bank mass ruyter is viable. Bottom line is try to outplay, gl hf

[sdsanft]

Dutch Eco is a lot better so as long as you can hold against the first push, his cards will run out and you be able to grab the easy win. I'm a total noob but I'd say try to spam walls and try to abuse the skirm range advantage, just don't get hit by the falcs.

[manwithoutname]

Dutch Eco is a lot better so as long as you can hold against the first push, his cards will run out and you be able to grab the easy win. I'm a total noob but I'd say try to spam walls and try to abuse the skirm range advantage, just don't get hit by the falcs.

He's a major, and surviving the first push does not cut it with a well executed spain :) You need access to sufficient resources to break out.