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16 Jun 2016, 20:00

Is India considered OP? I have no idea how to play against them with french, they seem unbreakable and it's very hard to pick the right strategy.
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16 Jun 2016, 20:09

India is a bad civ. Just do a musk semi vs them.
You can check this rec: viewtopic.php?f=146&t=6429 eventhough it's not really a good one.
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16 Jun 2016, 20:53

Huss or Musk semi into Falconets is your friend.
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16 Jun 2016, 22:05

I think all civs are a little OP at something but India is a special kind of OP. I play them in FFA and they just can dominate that arena... In wrong hands they are hard to use and clumsy, in other hands they are base destroying machines.
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17 Jun 2016, 10:27

India isnt bad, theyre mid tier
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17 Jun 2016, 10:57

howlingwolfpaw wrote:I think all civs are a little OP at something but India is a special kind of OP. I play them in FFA and they just can dominate that arena... In wrong hands they are hard to use and clumsy, in other hands they are base destroying machines.


Wtf

How can do they dominate FFA if they cant even dominate a single civ properly in 1v1???
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17 Jun 2016, 12:55

The best ffa civs are the best nr civs bc that's what ffa is. I'd probably hand it to ports because of their map control and their 7.25 speed skirmishes.
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17 Jun 2016, 16:20

Actually the best FFA civ is by far france, since they can drop a stable in literally every corner of the map and insta spam cuirs from there if needed.
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17 Jun 2016, 17:52

It is not fair to say FFA is just treaty, that is far too limiting. It is whatever you make it to be.... and that's why its so awesome. Attacking under 10 min does not make a lot of sense economically. most battles start age 3-4 or transition to 5 which is the peak of Indias strength. Turtling is very effective for this. Obviously Yes france is the best civ for FFA, if you host one you should ban them, France ruins FFA as they are too OP in every sense of the word. Behind them is russia and possibly ports or china. The problem with ports is that there is a lot more space in FFA and they are more susceptible to Indias hand attacks then especially if using urumi and tigers. (but pairing them up is one of toughest matchups anyway).

India dominates because of superior units. Often getting .5-3x as many kills as deaths. Being able to FB very fast, and jump around. With FFAs open space makes india much more effective. Also you have the peace treaty which can stop unwanted attacks when you are unprepared, or help you get into an enemy base to spam barracks within. India has a great economy as well. Fast age ups and lots of XP. India fights in waves, unlike other civs that seems to fight in endless stalemates, a strong waves of urumi and tigers can push the enemy around forcing them to retreat or lose a lot. They are so much fun I never get tired of them like I do with other civs.
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17 Jun 2016, 22:18

FFA is treaty. Rule of thump in treaty is the person who doesn't attack or get attacked for the longest period of time wins the game. This always applies, even when you're playing with corporals. Just wall up, sit at 200/200 and do nothing unless forced to.

France is great at this due to a great economy and great units, allowing them to invest little resources if they are attacked, unlike other civilizations.
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17 Jun 2016, 22:20

Also 120 pop army without shit eco like Dutch is very good for FFA, means you can defend against side pushes more easily.
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17 Jun 2016, 23:11

sircallen wrote:The best ffa civs are the best nr civs bc that's what ffa is. I'd probably hand it to ports because of their map control and their 7.25 speed skirmishes.

Perfectly said !
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18 Jun 2016, 03:01

Mr_Bramboy wrote:FFA is treaty. Rule of thump in treaty is the person who doesn't attack or get attacked for the longest period of time wins the game. This always applies, even when you're playing with corporals. Just wall up, sit at 200/200 and do nothing unless forced to.

France is great at this due to a great economy and great units, allowing them to invest little resources if they are attacked, unlike other civilizations.
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Although it is advisable if you are a newb or unskilled to wait as long as possible a good player can kill multiple enemies and win. Also it can be very advantageous to strike early and kit when people are less prepared. There are certain windows when to attack, waiting too long just lets the other players build up too much as well making it less efficient to kill players, but then strike too early and u may put yourself into long drawn out fight. (the problem is when people get too good and then get teamed up on) I have played thousands of them, trying with all civs, watching FFAs I lose to see how they go. Its a totally different game type and I find pretty lacking to say it is just one way or the other. It is quite dynamic and different for every matchup. I play on the principles of the art of war on when to build up attack or defend. And if I'm playing a long game doing all the work and there is a lame russian hiding behind 20 layers of walls I just GG I had my fun, got nothing to prove or lose in that situation but even then I have surprised myself and won. How often do you play?


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18 Jun 2016, 08:36

howlingwolfpaw wrote:India dominates because of superior units.


Which superior units does India have in late game? Do they have cuirassiers or opris?
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18 Jun 2016, 09:04

_DB_ wrote:
howlingwolfpaw wrote:India dominates because of superior units.


Which superior units does India have in late game? Do they have cuirassiers or opris?



I know this is trolling but sure ill answer.... Urumi....(indias cheapest and most effective weapon) 20 free pop tigers.... free villies.(meaning decks can have more flexibility) and have a fast villager output. Sepoys are great inf. Gurkas with extra range. Elephants.... just about all of them except camels, (don't use past age 2) and siege eles. you should try playing them. They are great and fun. Not the best but this thread is about india so I highlighted them. Barracks building makes them very resilient. can easily get overpoped with consulate armies or send in awesome native shipments.
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18 Jun 2016, 09:09

Urumis are ok but you gotta send a shipment, so you'll have 20 urumis and that's all. Tigers are bad in late game. Sepoys are very good musketeers but musketeers are rather bad in late game, so the only great unit they have is the gurkhas.
The elephants are all terrible lol.
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18 Jun 2016, 10:49

India can do an fi and push with a nice 200 pop army with which you can kill on or two lame treaty lamers and then you can hide in a corner while you are content with the result
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18 Jun 2016, 11:38

even h2o's french musk semi has lost to kabul's consulate rush.
also, some civs don't even have musks lol.
in spring and summer tournaments, i've seen india won many times with 1010rush/ consulate rush/ age 2 timing etc. why do you think they are weak?
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18 Jun 2016, 11:44

Couprider wrote:even h2o's french musk semi has lost to kabul's consulate rush.
also, some civs don't even have musks lol.
in spring and summer tournaments, i've seen india won many times with 1010rush/ consulate rush/ age 2 timing etc. why do you think they are weak?

he lost coz he had no tp on this map.
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18 Jun 2016, 11:47

Couprider wrote:even h2o's french musk semi has lost to kabul's consulate rush.
He failed his macro and was too greedy.
also, some civs don't even have musks lol.
Well as dutch you semi skirm, it's even better lol.
in spring and summer tournaments, i've seen india won many times with 1010rush/ consulate rush/ age 2 timing etc. why do you think they are weak?
Old meta, people didn't know how to deal with india. By the way, nobody won with a 10/10 or an age 2 timing, and the consulate rush is just an anti meta build, you go for no eco and surprise your opponent with a big army, but now people know it exists and can hold it.
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18 Jun 2016, 11:55

Its not OP but still 2 times stronger than spain...
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18 Jun 2016, 14:05

Disagree would rather be Spain than india.
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18 Jun 2016, 14:11

Me too xD.
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18 Jun 2016, 18:14

For FFA I just like going Germs and doing super dops xD so much fun ha ha
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18 Jun 2016, 18:26

[Armag] diarouga wrote:
Couprider wrote:even h2o's french musk semi has lost to kabul's consulate rush.
He failed his macro and was too greedy.
also, some civs don't even have musks lol.
Well as dutch you semi skirm, it's even better lol.
in spring and summer tournaments, i've seen india won many times with 1010rush/ consulate rush/ age 2 timing etc. why do you think they are weak?
Old meta, people didn't know how to deal with india. By the way, nobody won with a 10/10 or an age 2 timing, and the consulate rush is just an anti meta build, you go for no eco and surprise your opponent with a big army, but now people know it exists and can hold it.

h2o beat mitoe's dutch skirm semi with a consulate rush easily. he didn't even send 4 sowar at all. 2 indian heroes > 15 skirm.

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