which native alies is the best?

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How on earth did you find 1500f on Rockies?
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zoom wrote:How on earth did you find 1500f on Rockies?
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The bisons tech :chinese:
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40% berry bush gather speed for Japan is just stupid, not sure which native it is. Apache riders in 3v3 and you will be flamed
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40% if only for berries, doesn't affect cherry orchards.
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zoom wrote:How on earth did you find 1500f on Rockies?
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you know that the lakota tech on nilla is 500 wood / gold
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Method_man714 wrote:40% berry bush gather speed for Japan is just stupid, not sure which native it is. Apache riders in 3v3 and you will be flamed



cherry orchards are their own gathering resource they are not the same as berries.
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lordraphael wrote:
zoom wrote:How on earth did you find 1500f on Rockies?
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you know that the lakota tech on nilla is 500 wood / gold


ye and dogsoldiers were stronger kinda. atleast in age2.
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umeu wrote:
lordraphael wrote:
zoom wrote:How on earth did you find 1500f on Rockies?
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you know that the lakota tech on nilla is 500 wood / gold


ye and dogsoldiers were stronger kinda. atleast in age2.

ya they didnt auto improve i think. 730 hp in age 2 with 30 rr ? is kinda OP :)
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hunter wrote:Each native allies have different bonuses and are very situation and civ dependant. Apart from that I think Native allies and their bonuses are fairly balanced, I don't think any native ally is a broken affair just like age 5 cruis are

Actually a few nats have really broken upgrades lol. I think the worst are the cheyenne with *2 vs all cav. They are basically anti cav then, and also anti goon if your opponent doesn't kite perfectly.
Apache with that bonus vs vils are super lame too.
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its sometimes nice to have a totally different unit like the cheyanne. kills other heavy cav easily but less damage to other things. Hussars already can kill dragoons if no micro. cheyanne just lame casue of instant cav tech
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ochards are not counted as beries but it is still usefull bec there are very much beries in deccan
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Kaiserklein wrote:
hunter wrote:Each native allies have different bonuses and are very situation and civ dependant. Apart from that I think Native allies and their bonuses are fairly balanced, I don't think any native ally is a broken affair just like age 5 cruis are

Actually a few nats have really broken upgrades lol. I think the worst are the cheyenne with *2 vs all cav. They are basically anti cav then, and also anti goon if your opponent doesn't kite perfectly.
Apache with that bonus vs vils are super lame too.

Not really the Cheyenne upgrade only affects Cheyenne riders and they are limited like 10-12. You can train only 8 apache cavalry.
Plus its an age 3 tech, thats an investment of like 2k age up 200w for tp 300 for the tech up another for the elite up its an almost 3k investment lol
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That's middle game techs, you're not going to rush them obviously. But it can lose you games if your opponent gets that in team. In 1v1 it's not really a thing, but in team the guy can grab at least 2 tps usually and 20 cheyennes with the tech are already an insane anti cav.
For apache it's the same, you don't even need more than 8 lol, it's enough to rape vils
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I don't remember any map other than great plains where you actually have 2 cheyenne tp tbh, and you are forgetting that if other team can get the tp then so can your team.It shouldn't be called lame when both teams have equal chance of securing the tp but one team utilizes the map better and other team doesn't even contest it untill it's too late lol
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Kaiserklein wrote:
hunter wrote:Each native allies have different bonuses and are very situation and civ dependant. Apart from that I think Native allies and their bonuses are fairly balanced, I don't think any native ally is a broken affair just like age 5 cruis are

Actually a few nats have really broken upgrades lol. I think the worst are the cheyenne with *2 vs all cav. They are basically anti cav then, and also anti goon if your opponent doesn't kite perfectly.
Apache with that bonus vs vils are super lame too.
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hunter wrote:I don't remember any map other than great plains where you actually have 2 cheyenne tp tbh, and you are forgetting that if other team can get the tp then so can your team.It shouldn't be called lame when both teams have equal chance of securing the tp but one team utilizes the map better and other team doesn't even contest it untill it's too late lol

On team maps you will get like 3 cheyennes on gp and I think on a few other maps like great lakes you can have 2 cheyennes or sth.
Ofc you can still contest the cheyenne tps, but still, the nats are lame,and I don't think you should abuse them. It's like saying "monitors aren't lame, you can also build them"... It's still lame as fuck and an annoying way to play.
Also in some match ups you don't have the map early on and may not be able to contest tps.
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yes sam is the best
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Rattan shields/tiger claws are the best by far. Their only real counter is dopps.

All nats eventually become good with enough stacked upgrades. Except for chakrams.
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Just treat tiger claws and rattan like cavalry, use musket in melee, halbs, or even block with masses of cav to protect any more fragile units. I think goons do get a bonus vs them, but unless microed they will get shred. but its the same for other cav too.

Why don't you like chakrams? near about 400 hp, with 50% range resist, 14 range and 58 damamge to heavy inf? they are not a unit you can use alone but mixed with muskets are deadly to other inf masses. They are not good as india if you are using the 23 chakram card without a map with bakti. Then they only have 10 range and put themselves infront of muskets and can get run down. Play india in wolloseum and you will see how good they are.
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Aizamk wrote:Rattan shields/tiger claws are the best by far. Their only real counter is dopps.

All nats eventually become good with enough stacked upgrades. Except for chakrams.

Chakram destroy musk for breakfast, mmmm breakfast
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hunter wrote:I don't remember any map other than great plains where you actually have 2 cheyenne tp

High Plains!
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pecelot wrote:
hunter wrote:I don't remember any map other than great plains where you actually have 2 cheyenne tp

High Plains!

It's just a remake of great plains with slight changes.
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evilcheadar wrote:
Aizamk wrote:Rattan shields/tiger claws are the best by far. Their only real counter is dopps.

All nats eventually become good with enough stacked upgrades. Except for chakrams.

Chakram destroy musk for breakfast, mmmm breakfast


I'm guessing shitty attack animation means they never actually get to do any damage.
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Method_man714 wrote:
evilcheadar wrote:
Aizamk wrote:Rattan shields/tiger claws are the best by far. Their only real counter is dopps.

All nats eventually become good with enough stacked upgrades. Except for chakrams.

Chakram destroy musk for breakfast, mmmm breakfast


I'm guessing shitty attack animation means they never actually get to do any damage.

They suffer from grenadeir syndrome?
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Method_man714 wrote:
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I'm guessing shitty attack animation means they never actually get to do any damage.

They suffer from grenadeir syndrome?


No they suffer from evilcheader syndrome which just makes them useless at life.
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