Raiding in tough circumstances

[pecelot]

Is raiding vills with you hand cavalry viable when it's likely to fail? By that I mean vs blockhouses, zamburaks or in age 3, when goons are usually on the field. I usually cease it as it's highly risky to get caught and not be that much effective, but it may still be an effective way of disrupting enemy economy and buying some time when necessary. What do you think? Would you still raid in such situations?

[Jaeger]

Remember that in this time that youre buting you must gather more resources than you lost. So if youre losing 3 cav to buy 15 seconds im not sure its worth it.

[tedere12]

raid whenever it is possible

[yurashic]

Raiding when you enemy is in his base is bad.

[kami_ryu]

Interesting topic, I've been wondering about it myself. Perhaps not quite along the same lines as Pezet, but along the lines of "are my hussars dying to TC fire worth the idle villager time?" or "is trading a hussar or two vs a vill good?"

[Mr_Bramboy]

When you're raiding essentially all you're doing is trading some resources in the hopes of forcing your opponent to spend resources, mostly by killing villagers. In the ideal situation you force your opponent to spend resources (lose villagers) and don't spend any resources yourself by not losing units. When you're losing more resources than you're gaining, you shouldn't raid. Exceptions are when your opponent isn't playing well, for example when he pulls back the entire army to deal with raids, allowing you to buy time and get more units out, or when you need to buy time to get to a crucial shipment or strong units (think of a cuirassier pop).

[momuuu]

Interesting topic, I've been wondering about it myself. Perhaps not quite along the same lines as Pezet, but along the lines of "are my hussars dying to TC fire worth the idle villager time?" or "is trading a hussar or two vs a vill good?"

Well I think the guy that has the bigger army at 12 minutes or something is the one that wins, so trading military for vills at that point might be tricky.

I'm a shitty raider myself, I cant really pay attention to the cav running around and I never manage to find villagers, so I definitely dont raid when goons are out as I'll just lose my shit for free.

[pecelot]

There's also this thing with additional line of sight, especially when playing against civs like Brits who have manor spread out on the map, you can get spotted very soon, not manage to kill vills in time and get caught by goons. But I guess sometimes it's still viable, just depends on the situation.

[lemmings121]

In the line of bad reactions, some people might pull his 15 goons to deal with a 5uhlan raid and get seriously out of position.

[__Uhlan__]

yea i think it depends on who your playing, ive seen high level players being lazy and using 30 goons to chase 3 hus my self included, and then its just so valuable, that you can not put a resource cost on it. Generally tho raiding with 2 hus is such a small lose at the part of the game your talking about, so id say generally it is worth it.

[Hazza54321]

1v1 players dont know how to deal with raids so go for it

[macacoalbino]

in these situations you can keep 2-3 cav close to their base in a hidden spot, once you engage his army you just walk the cav in their hunts/mines and hope they dont notice it for long enough

[kami_ryu]

1v1 players dont know how to deal with raids so go for it

So what you and Uhlan stipulating is to send just 1-2 hussar, no more, to raid the other guy? The other guy overreacts to it (sending too many units to deal with it) and you take advantage of that.

I like the idea. Will try to do this more myself.

[momuuu]

I hope people dont start doing this too much Im completely incapable of dealing with it.

[__Uhlan__]

1v1 players dont know how to deal with raids so go for it

So what you and Uhlan stipulating is to send just 1-2 hussar, no more, to raid the other guy? The other guy overreacts to it (sending too many units to deal with it) and you take advantage of that.

I like the idea. Will try to do this more myself.

That's the idea, & killing a few vills is a bonus. & your risk is very small it's 2 hus only, which is useless in fortress anyways most of the time.

[momuuu]

On the other hand in 1v1s games are often decided if someone wins the one big battle so in that sense raiding with a few units is risky because you might just lose them and you dont have them in the fight.

[__Uhlan__]

On the other hand in 1v1s games are often decided if someone wins the one big battle so in that sense raiding with a few units is risky because you might just lose them and you dont have them in the fight.

well you can feel this in the game, like if you know your going to be fighting over a mine or a hunt soon, probably best to save every unit you can get, but if it's a stalemate & you end up killing 2 vills & idling 10, you actually gather enough to make up for those hus & be 2 vills up.

[momuuu]

In theory it honestly just sounds better than in practise I think.

[__Uhlan__]

In theory it honestly just sounds better than in practise I think.

hm I guess if you run your hus right into goons, I'm more of a team player & raiding is much better then so I might be a bit biased.

[princeofkabul]

you should raid while fighting main battles, the most effective way really.

[deleted_user0]

you should raiding while fighting main battles, the most effective way really.

+1

especially this is how opris should be used. if you start running with opris without any other pressure they'll just get killed.

[Kazamkikaz]

Is raiding vills with you hand cavalry viable when it's likely to fail? By that I mean vs blockhouses, zamburaks or in age 3, when goons are usually on the field. I usually cease it as it's highly risky to get caught and not be that much effective, but it may still be an effective way of disrupting enemy economy and buying some time when necessary. What do you think? Would you still raid in such situations?

I'll make that question in another way, why raid in 6min of the game and kill some 1 to 4 vills when u can catch more than 10 vill in age3 when enemy is with main army in your base or middle of the map and villagers is colleting in next 3 or 4 mine, hunt without tower or army protection ? i just dont understand this, start raid alot with 2 free uhlan and lose all uhlan by musk, cav or tc fire and when enemy is with dragoons/whatever anticav walking map, players who use german stop raiding
Attection veteran uhlan + 15% damage & attack can kill 1 unupgraded hp villager by 4 swordfish and 5 with great coat market up, in colonial age u need 6 swordfish or 7 with great coat up using uhlan ofc

[sdrawkcab_delleps]

In theory it honestly just sounds better than in practise I think.

I'm more of a team player.

Yes, you are a team player

[tedere12]

I'm more of a cheater*