(Fake news!)Does ep really stop cheater?

[frostibite]

It really just goes to show you that people will try to get ahead in life even in a dead game that means nothing. We live in an ego driven society to the point where even losing in a more-than-a decade old PC game shakes people up to the point of desiring cheats.

[evilcheadar]

I am on the same side with ear, there is nothing regulating you are maphacking or not

EP has caught almost 200 incidents of maphack program usage so far.

200 caught on a patch for an old game. Just think how many have yet to be caught.

[gibson]

Thousands probably

[fightinfrenchman]

I read a report that estimated it at well over 45,000 incidents of maphack that were missed.

[HUMMAN]

@lordraphael why you get tilted because of my statement? We know Uhlan cheated in a tourney, it is very possible pr 30 guys get pr 35 level with mh. Bad players can always cheat, i am not targeting so called good players but since tourney is a serious business i am talking about a risk.

To give example think about wallhack in cs. There are ways to understand if you are wallhacking like a retard but a decent player can wallhack without showing. If tourneys were not lan dont you think there would be pro cs players getting away with wallhack?

Ok you are wayy better than me and you say mh is very impactful. But i think you would beat players like somppu/k-bar even if they use mh(not claiming these players mh) with casters(trying not to show off).

@EAGLEMUT
I wonder level of these 200 players, very cool you get them and i always appreciate what are you doing. Didnt know it.

[ChewSick]

Ok you are wayy better than me and you say mh is very impactful. But i think you would beat players like somppu/k-bar even if they use mh(not claiming these players mh) with casters(trying not to show off).

maphack is far more impactful than you think. I don't think any pr35+ player would lose a single game if they're using it even if they try to not make it too obvious.

[pecelot]

how can you be so narrow-minded to think that building rotator is unfair? do you still live in 1999 when 2D AoE2 was released?

[HUMMAN]

how can you be so narrow-minded to think that building rotator is unfair? do you still live in 1999 when 2D AoE2 was released?

Why everybody is triggered lol. For sure it is unfair when buildrotating is not avaible in default game mode. If it was accessible to everyone it would be fair. And whatever it is a good design or not to enable build rotating is not in my interest.

@ChewSick
Then why they dont? I believe not all players share same ethical values.

[edeholland]

how can you be so narrow-minded to think that building rotator is unfair? do you still live in 1999 when 2D AoE2 was released?

Why everybody is triggered lol. For sure it is unfair when buildrotating is not avaible in default game mode. If it was accessible to everyone it would be fair. And whatever it is a good design or not to enable build rotating is not in my interest.

@ChewSick
Then why they dont? I believe not all players share same ethical values.

So you are saying it's fair in EP? Since there it's accessible to everyone.

[Mr_Bramboy]

From what I've gathered in staff/tournament discussions, the general consensus among top players is that building rotator does disproportionally affect matches, even if both players have access to it. In a Dutch v. Aztecs game, for example, the Dutch player benefits far more from having access to the rotator than the Aztecs player. The rotator buffs some civs, and since the exact effect is unknown and any hidden buffs are undesirable, the rotator is banned in tournament games.

[HUMMAN]

@edeholland as bramboi said it may change the balance but i think.its fair if both players accept the terms.

[gibson]

its fair not balanced

[pecelot]

omg, then maybe players need to adapt
when Dutch is walling with banks then most of the times map's layout and position of the enemy will be more crucial
it's a 3D game, building rotator has been in the game since day one and it was omitted in skirmishes due to an oversight
EP allows it, for suck's fake

[EAGLEMUT]

@EAGLEMUT
I wonder level of these 200 players, very cool you get them and i always appreciate what are you doing. Didnt know it.

Average PR of known offender is ~25. Note that it's just incidents, some of which are by the same player; I didn't do any fancy filtering or grouping on the data, only meant to give a rough idea that something's happening.

[Frost Bite]

Many players try to make game easier(build rotator, easy buy sell, wall program) how do you know they dont mh? I am on the same side with ear, there is nothing regulating you are maphacking or not, but since its not a big deal(you should not avoid raids, attack without scouting etc.) here we are. Game already gives many information(whatever enemy ages or you see their deck) it is mostly effective in finding treasures and seeing enemy composition.

lol if iwas using maphack id never lose a single game. Thats how big maphack is and to even assusme such a thing is an insult to all honest players. Especially becasue you specifically target "good " players. The bad players dont cheat, or dont use maphack but the good players do. So pathetic. That being said theres the possibility that some players use maphack. But imo its kind of hard to use maphack in a casted game and get away with it.

Well, I doubt that having a maphack would help you win. Yes it allows you to view your enemy, but I am sure that it will affect you because you have to play in a way that it isn't obvious to the enemy. For example if u see ur enemy's cav trying to take down your vills or you trying to raid you should play in such a way that a normal person would without mh. It actually builds up the pressure in you. So an additional responsiblity.

[gibson]

With mh you can just counter build every game and claim either you scouted or just blind luck

[Frost Bite]

Yeah, but you have to keep an eye always on the enemy, Doesn't that hamper your macro? your timing could get affected.

[kami_ryu]

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[gibson]

Yeah, but you have to keep an eye always on the enemy, Doesn't that hamper your macro? your timing could get affected.

no

[pecelot]

well, it can, but in top games players would have no problems with splitting their attention; furthermore, the loss of 10 food due to a-bit-flawed macro for total scouting information is totally worth it

[Aizamk]

I've had this idea for a while for a custom map which gives each player a ~33% chance of getting full vision of the map. At the end of the game it would be revealed which players (if any) got granted full vision. Spectator UI-enabled, of course (otherwise it would be no fun).

Might be an interesting experiment.

[edeholland]

I've had this idea for a while for a custom map which gives each player a ~33% chance of getting full vision of the map. At the end of the game it would be revealed which players (if any) got granted full vision. Spectator UI-enabled, of course (otherwise it would be no fun).

Might be an interesting experiment.

Great in teamgames, if only one of the team has the maphack. It's going to be a communication test

[deleted_user0]

I've had this idea for a while for a custom map which gives each player a ~33% chance of getting full vision of the map. At the end of the game it would be revealed which players (if any) got granted full vision. Spectator UI-enabled, of course (otherwise it would be no fun).

Might be an interesting experiment.

it would be. we can have 1 champion, who plays with mh enabled in the custom map, and challengers try to win a game vs maphack champion. if you win, you become champ.

[deleted_user]

I've had this idea for a while for a custom map which gives each player a ~33% chance of getting full vision of the map. At the end of the game it would be revealed which players (if any) got granted full vision. Spectator UI-enabled, of course (otherwise it would be no fun).

Might be an interesting experiment.

it would be. we can have 1 champion, who plays with mh enabled in the custom map, and challengers try to win a game vs maphack champion. if you win, you become champ.

Pretty cool idea tbh.

[Kaiserklein]

Well, I doubt that having a maphack would help you win.