Poitical Compass Test and Political Typology Quiz

[Goodspeed]

why am i doing this, it is such a waste of time

Idk why either. I took one look at these assessments and the questions are so skewed left it’s not worth anyone’s time.

He was talking about going through people's posts to identify their political views.

Do you have examples of questions you think are skewed left? Plenty of people here got results on the right of the political spectrum.

[scarm]

I think examples for questions perceived as skewed are ones like: "Our race has many superior qualities compared to other races", because most intellectual modern right wingers would most likely not agree, and it seems like such an obvious bait, almost like the questionaire is asking "Are you a fucking racist? Say it come on". Put in another way some questions seem to reference an obvious taboo and shame people for being rightwing and pressure them into answering leftist.

I can see why some people would perceive it that way, but the reality of it is, that these questions are normal questions to ask in surveys about national identity, and many people would just agree because thats genuinely what they believe. Keep in mind that forums is a very specific social group for the most part, and not a representation of the broad public, not to mention the different cultural backgrounds.

The nest issue is that this particular questionnaire asks questions like "some people are naturally unlucky", which most people would probably decline in this day and age, especially on forums, but disagreeing with that statement gives you cultural score for "libertarianism", because the authors of the survey operate very strictly along the lines of the authoritarian personaliy of horkheimer. Essentially most of page 5 is not a valid representation of idelogical believes.

anyone interested can for example check out the questionnaires for the 2013 ISSP on national identity. There are being questions asked like: should foreigners be allowed to buy land in x? Should foreigner intermarry with x?
https://search.gesis.org/research_data/ZA5950

I overall still agree that this particular questionnaire is shit, because it does not follow basic scientific guidelines, like disclosure of authors and all sources etc.

[Mr_Bramboy]

[Mr_Bramboy]

[Goodspeed]

I think examples for questions perceived as skewed are ones like: "Our race has many superior qualities compared to other races", because most intellectual modern right wingers would most likely not agree, and it seems like such an obvious bait, almost like the questionaire is asking "Are you a fucking racist? Say it come on". Put in another way some questions seem to reference an obvious taboo and shame people for being rightwing and pressure them into answering leftist.

I can see why some people would perceive it that way, but the reality of it is, that these questions are normal questions to ask in surveys about national identity, and many people would just agree because thats genuinely what they believe. Keep in mind that forums is a very specific social group for the most part, and not a representation of the broad public, not to mention the different cultural backgrounds.

Exactly, that's the point I was going to make depending on the examples given.

[duckzilla]

You had me with the first two thinking: okay, he's Dutch. But then my picture crumbled down.

[scarm]

The interesting thing is that this discrepancy between "old school conservative forces", as in the broad populace, older people and similar who might still have commonly racial, anti-semitic, or anti-gay attitudes and the modern, especially young conservative forces must be explained somehow. Are these even the same ideological things? Do we need to distinguish between more than 1 cultural axis and introduce a third axis? Maybe even a fourth to distinguish domestic from international economics? Or are the young conservatives just less conservative than they believe to be? Or is it a failure of measurement? Do we need to weight some issues more than others? Do intellectual or young conservatives just value other conservative issues than the old conservatives do? But again are they even the same ideological thing then?

Lots of these questions are asked in political science and there are studies out there trying to further progress the field. In big surveys the old understanding of conservativism, nationalism etc. still holds strong though, because these studies need to find compromises between vastly different countries to be comparabale between them, and need to stay true to former surveys to enable longitudinal comparison.

[Goodspeed]

Isn't there a risk of self-fulfilling prophecies when surveys aren't fully adapting to new thought, but rather attempting to square it with the old?

[fightinfrenchman]

These political compass threads are consistently the dumbest and most useless threads on ESOC, which is really saying something

[duckzilla]

I like American surveys like these. In the end, I get a label to identify with, vote for AOC and burn down Portland.

In other news, Doitsus embrace a new ideology called: InterNational Socialism.
Now with 70% more liberalism and progressivism.


Also... what does it say about my education as an economist that I get close to the lowest score possible for "markets"?

[scarm]

Isn't there a risk of self-fulfilling prophecies when surveys aren't fully adapting to new thought, but rather attempting to square it with the old?

There is and it is one of the biggest criticisms about these big surveys. But many quantitative scholars challenge the thought that they are just as dependent on their underlying theories as qualitative forms of measurement are, and in the end the common interest trumps the arguments of single countries or scholars.

I had a lengthy discussion with my statistics professor about this, who had tried multiple times to argue that the understanding of nationalism used in the ISSP is outdated. But for many countries who participate in the ISSP and similar international surveys (such as the ESS for the EU), these old theories still have validity, because their societies are structured differently. It also is still accurate for the older generations for the most part. Due to that, the committee of the ISSP told my prof each time that there was no need because the current survey design seems to still be valid for a decent amount of the participants and countries, while completely overhauling the design would make comparability impossible.

[fightinfrenchman]

It would legitimately be more interesting if people here took random Buzzfeed quizzes about like, what font you are rather than these

[Goodspeed]

Also... what does it say about my education as an economist that I get close to the lowest score possible for "markets"?

You clearly didn't pay attention in class

[scarm]

Reading single articles in journals usually is much more interesting, because the scholars have a larger freedom there and due to that usually are way more modern in their theoretical und methodological approach. The thing is that for the average scholar or the avergae journal article it is impossible to get the amounts of data required for some projects, which is why the big surveys are important, even though they have some shortcomings. They essentially exist as a baseline to work with. Keep in mind that surveys per se do not interpret the data they produce. The problem is that the underlying assumptions of the people formulating the questions still influence the results to some degree, but that can be mitigated by using better suited theories in the analysis by third parties.

Also social sciences work within a 5% Alpha-Error Margin anyways, due to things like that.

[jesus3]

I like American surveys like these. In the end, I get a label to identify with, vote for AOC and burn down Portland.

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In other news, Doitsus embrace a new ideology called: InterNational Socialism.
Now with 70% more liberalism and progressivism.


Also... what does it say about my education as an economist that I get close to the lowest score possible for "markets"?

Result: "Just the average German student. Stop taking our proud American surveys, we won't profit off you!"

[helln00]

I like American surveys like these. In the end, I get a label to identify with, vote for AOC and burn down Portland.

polcompass.png

values.png

In other news, Doitsus embrace a new ideology called: InterNational Socialism.
Now with 70% more liberalism and progressivism.


Also... what does it say about my education as an economist that I get close to the lowest score possible for "markets"?

Only the americans and their hypercapitalistic frame would make you choose between markets and equality. Too much inequality is pareto inefficient, every economist knows that (maybe)

[XeeleeFlower]

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[vividlyplain]

why am i doing this, it is such a waste of time

Idk why either. I took one look at these assessments and the questions are so skewed left it’s not worth anyone’s time.

He was talking about going through people's posts to identify their political views.

Do you have examples of questions you think are skewed left? Plenty of people here got results on the right of the political spectrum.

I know what he meant.

This question for example: “I’d always support my country, whether it was right or wrong.”

I didn’t say it was not going to place you on the right, but how they’ve loaded these questions is extremely biased.

Edit: I also noticed there is no middle ground to choose which would be nice for this question “Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races.”

[Goodspeed]

Some people would always support their country even if it was wrong. How would you word the question?

[vividlyplain]

Some people would always support their country even if it was wrong. How would you word the question?

I think for me it is more about where answering this question lands you on the grid they’ve provided. I’m not seeing how this places you anywhere on a political spectrum as there are people on both the left and right that would agree to this and it could also change depending on who is in power.

[helln00]

Those kinds of questions can be a bit of an advantage since they encourage self sorting amongst the participants. I also dont think that its meant ot be answering for the right/left divide but the national/international divide. U can have nationalistic lefties

[Goodspeed]

Some people would always support their country even if it was wrong. How would you word the question?

I think for me it is more about where answering this question lands you on the grid they’ve provided. I’m not seeing how this places you anywhere on a political spectrum as there are people on both the left and right that would agree to this and it could also change depending on who is in power.

I think this one places you on the diplomatic axis which may correlate with left vs right but is a separate axis for a reason.
Or is this the other test?

[vividlyplain]

Some people would always support their country even if it was wrong. How would you word the question?

I think for me it is more about where answering this question lands you on the grid they’ve provided. I’m not seeing how this places you anywhere on a political spectrum as there are people on both the left and right that would agree to this and it could also change depending on who is in power.

I think this one places you on the diplomatic axis which may correlate with left vs right but is a separate axis for a reason.
Or is this the other test?

It’s from this one https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

[Goodspeed]

Might be the y-axis in that one

[scarm]

Those kinds of questions can be a bit of an advantage since they encourage self sorting amongst the participants. I also dont think that its meant ot be answering for the right/left divide but the national/international divide. U can have nationalistic lefties

No you can't, not in the sense you mean it in this kind of theory. Being economically left but culturally right wing or even nationalistic would put you in the upper left corner. That is the point of the typology, the old left-right cleavage does not fully explain modern electorates, so we need to divide ideology into an economic and a cultural dimension.

@vividlyplain So answering the question "would you always support your country" with yes places you further on the culturally conservative axis. And no there are not people both on the (economical) left and right that would answer that question with yes BECAUSE this only corresponds to the auth-lib axis not the left-right axis. Put in another way this question has nothing to do with economy , and therefore only places you on the y-axis, not the x-axis.

The point of a grid like that is precisely to overcome the linear dichotomy of left and right. You can essentially score what you want by realising whether a question is an economical or a cultural one and which pole it corresponds with, hence why i was able to easily stay in the middle economically speaking and reach the highest possible cultural score.