iwillspankyou wrote:fightinfrenchman wrote:iwillspankyou wrote:Who would you support then? Who have better policies, if any? The debate in USA are mostly about the candidate's appearances and personality, but very little about actual policy. Sanders is the exception, and that is why he is popular.
The debate is often about apperance and personality because those things impact electability.iwillspankyou wrote:Why do you say he is an egomanical asshole? Is that your personal view, and what do you base it on?
Yes, this is my stating my personal opinion on him. The way he ran his 2016 campaign is what has convinced me of this; I think he did unnecessary damage to Clinton's reputation among his supporters which contributed to not enough people turning out to vote in 2016, leading to Trump's victory. I also think the fact that he is still an Independent rather than a member of the Democratic party is arrogant.iwillspankyou wrote:About his age. He is one year older than Biden, and we NEVER hear that Biden is too old in mainstream media. It was also the argument when he ran in 2016, and at that time he was younger than Biden Do you not think this is kind of odd, that the only thing they can hammer Sanders with is his age? Btw Sanders has been touring the country up and down, during the midterm election, like a Duracell Rabitt. I would like to see anyone, including much younger ppl, display the energy and commitment he has.
I don't really watch the news so I'm not sure about mentions about age in the mainstream media. Personally, I don't think old age is necessarily something that would make me not support a candidate, but it is something that makes me less likely to support Biden and also Sanders, regardless of their energy. That being said, Nancy Pelosi is 78 years old and I would love if she was president. The age argument has nothing to do with their ability to lead for me, so however much energy he has is irrelevant; to me, it's solely about electability.iwillspankyou wrote:Sanders is not polling very well YOU CLAIM. Based on what exactly? Maybe you have other sources of info that I have?
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... ll-770632/
https://news.gallup.com/poll/243539/ame ... nders.aspx
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story ... 312541002/
in other polls the picture are more mixed, BUT Sanders is always among the leading candidates.
https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/sto ... 348677002/
So please, mr @fightinfrenchman I would want you too give some evidence for your claims, cos that would elevate our discourse big time.
There's nothing to indicate he could beat Joe Biden. I'm not even making the argument that Joe Biden could beat Trump, but Bernie couldn't even beat historically unpopular Hillary, so I don't see how he could beat Biden, or a newcomer who is going to gain in name recognition over the next several months.
The only reason that Sanders popularity surges from 4% to getting 46% of the votes during primaries, was his political views. The reason Clinton went down from 80% approval rate, to way under 50% (I cannot recall the specific figure), was her lack of policies, and that she almost took the voters for granted. Saying "I'm with Her" just isn't enough.
If ppl try to run bases on appearances and personality in 2020, they will soon find out, it just doesn't cut it anymore. PPL are desperate for real change. That is also a fact why Hillary dropped like a rock; she ran for preserving the present, while change is needed.
Sanders have a lot of things going for him, but I would not say it is charisma or good looks
You say Sanders could not even beat Clinton. I am pretty sure he would have, if DNC did not pull every dirty trick in the book, to undermine his campaign. And can you blame ppl that supported Sanders, to not be willing to support Clinton after that? If she had made a fair campaign and won that way, I am sure more of the Sanders supporters would also have supported her in the general election.
In Sanders and Clinton first debate during Primaries, Bernie Sanders, said the famous words "enough with the emails. I'm sick and tired of hearing about them, let us talk about the policies". So, it was not Sanders who dragged her through the mud with the email, if that is what you are referring to. But he did point out her big donations from Wall Street, and that she was not in support of a Singleplayer healthcare system. I would say, Clinton just did not have the right policies, and that is why she lost. You say Sanders is an egomanical asshole. I would say Clinton was, and still is. She and Bill got stinking rich from politics and kissing asses on Wall Street. Sanders, on the other hand, is the person with less wealth in the Senate, even though the media has tried to slander him about his cottage house.
About your statistics, I think Biden will sink like a rock, once he starts campaigning. I would say Biden is old, meaning he is out of touch about the conditions of poor and working class ppl, and millennials, and that he is living in the establishment bubble - not seing, not hearing, not empathising. See my post on it above.
how about we stop quoting large blocks of text?