Notre Dame.

[Dolan]

Funny how a building gets a thread, but nobody seems to bat an eyelash anymore when a few dozen people are murdered or if hundreds of people die in planecrashes or typhoons. If it was a terror attack, then they seem to have struck a chord! Even lejend and dolan are mortarfied.

Where did you get the impression I was mortified? I just posted some extra pics and commented neutrally on the potential damages.

And you're going full Guardian mode with the leftist commentary: "why aren't we concerned about some other event on the globe?" Because we don't live there, that's why. We live in this European neighbourhood.

If it was a fire in a Nigerian 13th century cathedral, I would probably care less too, tbh.

[kami_ryu]

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[deleted_user0]

Funny how a building gets a thread, but nobody seems to bat an eyelash anymore when a few dozen people are murdered or if hundreds of people die in planecrashes or typhoons. If it was a terror attack, then they seem to have struck a chord! Even lejend and dolan are mortarfied.

Where did you get the impression I was mortified? I just posted some extra pics and commented neutrally on the potential damages.

And you're going full Guardian mode with the leftist commentary: "why aren't we concerned about some other event on the globe?" Because we don't live there, that's why. We live in this European neighbourhood.

If it was a fire in a Nigerian 13th century cathedral, I would probably care less too, tbh.

no, actually not. It was more about why do you care more about buildings than about people. The terror attacks that happened happened in your "European/Western neighbourhood, so your argument (even though it's valid and I generally agree with it) doesn't hold in this context. Also, it was more an observation than a question. My point was, that if it's a terror attack, then they have it's a successful change in strategy, as people seem to have gotten weary of tagging #JeSuisCharlie #PrayForX, but now they have something new to be outraged or sad about. Considering that the last 10 or so terror attacks didn't even get a thread on esoc, nor did the last 10 or so natural disasters, but the Notre Dame fire, with 0 casualties, got one. I'd say this spark has hit a nerve!

Try again.

[Dolan]

Which terror attacks?

[deleted_user0]

Which terror attacks?

hmm the one in NZ, there were a few in NA, there was one in NL (which hasn't been confirmed to be one, though), don't recall seeing a thread about the british politician, though I may have missed it. Then there were a whole bunch of terror attacks in parts of the world that Dolan doesn't care about, so I won't list them.

[Dolan]

NZ is not in Europe though. It was indeed a major event and someone should have maybe started a thread, but this forum is small. It's not very reactive to every important event. It would have been interesting to discuss the Christchurch shooting, yeah.

NA, I assume it's North America so it's not Europe again, but well, I don't remember right now what happened there. Maybe I've been too focused on Brexit and I may have missed something.

The NL attack seems to have been a personal revenge attack by a Dutch citizen of Turkish origins. Nobody commented on it, probably because it was a small-scale crime event. And since it was someone's personal revenge on one of his former gfs (?), not much that is of general interest there.

The murder of Jo Cox, if that's what you were referring to, was the act of a far right nutter from the UK. She was a Labour MP, so you can probably find the reasons there. But this happened quite a long time ago, like almost 3 years ago.

[deleted_user0]

NZ is not in Europe though. It was indeed a major event and someone should have maybe started a thread, but this forum is small. It's not very reactive to every important event. It would have been interesting to discuss the Christchurch shooting, yeah.

NA, I assume it's North America so it's not Europe again, but well, I don't remember right now what happened there. Maybe I've been too focused on Brexit and I may have missed something.

The NL attack seems to have been a personal revenge attack by a Dutch citizen of Turkish origins. Nobody commented on it, probably because it was a small-scale crime event. And since it was someone's personal revenge on one of his former gfs (?), not much that is of general interest there.

The murder of Jo Cox, if that's what you were referring to, was the act of a far right nutter from the UK. She was a Labour MP, so you can probably find the reasons there. But this happened quite a long time ago, like almost 3 years ago.

your arguments make very little sense, this is an international forum, not a european one. The thread you've been most active in has been about american politics, so don't pretend like people here are uncapable to empathize or be involved with anything outside the continental fault lines.

[deleted_user]

Funny how a building gets a thread, but nobody seems to bat an eyelash anymore when a few dozen people are murdered or if hundreds of people die in planecrashes or typhoons. If it was a terror attack, then they seem to have struck a chord! Even lejend and dolan are mortarfied.

Nice pun, mortarfried works too. You're right, but how do we come to terms with what seems like a human truth, generally - we are barely empathetic and fooling ourselves if we say we aren't.

It's a larger news story than "typical" disasters, but not a larger tragedy. Notre Dame is burning, that's big, that's Name, that building is in every architectural book ever written. It has influence and reach. I'd much rather a Notre Dame burn than a person die, but I'm much more likely to make click if a Notre Dame burned than, well- I'm just all hardwired wrong. And you are too! Probably.

[deleted_user0]

Funny how a building gets a thread, but nobody seems to bat an eyelash anymore when a few dozen people are murdered or if hundreds of people die in planecrashes or typhoons. If it was a terror attack, then they seem to have struck a chord! Even lejend and dolan are mortarfied.

Nice pun, mortarfried works too. You're right, but how do we come to terms with what seems like a human truth, generally - we are barely empathetic and fooling ourselves if we say we aren't.

It's a larger news story than "typical" disasters, but not a larger tragedy. Notre Dame is burning, that's big, that's Name, that building is in every architectural book ever written. It has influence and reach. I'd much rather a Notre Dame burn than a person die, but I'm much more likely to make click if a Notre Dame burned than, well- I'm just all hardwired wrong. And you are too! Probably.

at least someone got it! mortarfried is even better. As I said, I was merely making an observation, it wasn't a question or a condemnation. In a sense, how fucked up it may be, it's even understandable. The point was, however, that if it was a terrorist attack, then it was a successful one. Way more than if they, let's say, had killed a 100 people. Now, that's something.

[deleted_user]

Well the world would be a better place with more universally dispersed empathy, I guess we should be trying.

[Dolan]

your arguments make very little sense, this is an international forum, not a european one. The thread you've been most active in has been about american politics, so don't pretend like people here are uncapable to empathize or be involved with anything outside the continental fault lines.

It could be, but you cannot empathise with everything that happens on this planet or you go mad. More than 6000 people die every hour, I'm sure every one of them was irreplaceable and unique, but it's beyond my mental abilities to care about every one of them. You have, at some point, to draw a line, make a selection about what is most relevant to your life and care about that. And it's more reasonable to care mostly about what happens in your neighbourhood, in your culture. In its race for capturing people's attention, the media tend to gather the most gruesome events, it's a neverending 24-hours carousel of horrors if you pay attention and empathise with every one of them. You have to disconnect at some point, cut the cord, for your own sanity. But also because nobody has so much spare time to follow everything.

The thread you've been most active in has been about american politics

No, despite my best undirected efforts, I still can't change this statistic:



I can't help but notice that occasionaly, instead of discussing the topic at hand, you embark on all kinds of baiting, though.

[deleted_user0]

your arguments make very little sense, this is an international forum, not a european one. The thread you've been most active in has been about american politics, so don't pretend like people here are uncapable to empathize or be involved with anything outside the continental fault lines.

It could be, but you cannot empathise with everything that happens on this planet or you go mad. More than 6000 people die every hour, I'm sure every one of them was irreplaceable and unique, but it's beyond my mental abilities to care about every one of them. You have, at some point, to draw a line, make a selection about what is most relevant to your life and care about that. And it's more reasonable to care mostly about what happens in your neighbourhood, in your culture. In its race for capturing people's attention, the media tend to gather the most gruesome events, it's a neverending 24-hours carousel of horrors if you pay attention and empathise with every one of them. You have to disconnect at some point, cut the cord, for your own sanity. But also because nobody has so much spare time to follow everything.

The thread you've been most active in has been about american politics

No, despite my best undirected efforts, I still can't change this statistic:



I can't help but notice that occasionaly, instead of discussing the topic at hand, you embark on all kinds of baiting, though.

I agree with you on that. I said nothing to the contrary. I've stated the purpose of my post several times now. Do I really need to repeat it again?

As for the thread activity, I meant lately. That thread has basically run its course, and the last serious discussion in it dates back to January. The past few months you have been more active in the thread about America. In either case, whether you have been active in one or the other by a few more posts isn't really the point, is it? Fact of the matter is, you can be interested in something that happens on another continent. And regardless of that, this is an international forum, so even if you're right, and europeans wont start threads about other continents (spanky proving you wrong, but whatever) then we could expect our members from other continents to start them.

Please explain to me how I am baiting? I notice how you regularly, instead of responding to the post someone wrote, you embark on responding to all kinds of assumptions you have about that person instead...

[Dolan]

I replied in the topic on US politics, because frankly there weren't any other active topics. So it was like a proxy for discussing lots of related things that were more relevant to Europe too. Like whether Russia is trustable in international politics. At one point I got challenged to explain what kind of policies I support, when GS wanted to understand whether I'm right-wing or not.

But then, I could participate in any politics-related topic, since it's my academic background. Though, tbh, I can't follow everything everywhere and I don't really care about everything that happens, even in very important states like the USA or China. I may occasionally take interest in some event from those countries, but I wouldn't follow them closely.

Spanky is an outlier, imo, she's on a global mission to awake the masses to the promised land of milk and honey awaiting them if they join her libertarian socialism dream.

[deleted_user0]

I replied in the topic on US politics, because frankly there weren't any other active topics. So it was like a proxy for discussing lots of related things that were more relevant to Europe too. Like whether Russia is trustable in international politics. At one point I got challenged to explain what kind of policies I support, when GS wanted to understand whether I'm right-wing or not.

But then, I could participate in any politics-related topic, since it's my academic background. Though, tbh, I can't follow everything everywhere and I don't really care about everything that happens, even in very important states like the USA or China. I may occasionally take interest in some event from those countries, but I wouldn't follow them closely.

Spanky is an outlier, imo, she's on a global mission to awake the masses to the promised land of milk and honey awaiting them if they join her libertarian socialism dream.

Sure, that's all fine and dandy, but what's the point of this? I don't really care about you, nobody leveled an accusation at you, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to defend yourself. Even if you personally only went to that thread because you were bored or because it's your field of expertise, it's not relevant. We only have to look at that thread to see that you were wrong. Spanky and GS posted in it a lot, and they're both european. americans posted in threads about terror attacks in europe. Americans even posted in this thread. Still not sure why all of this has to be brought up, are you saying that anything I said was false?

I don't seem to recall ever asking for a justification of the observed phenomenon. It's interesting that you seem inclined to give it, even though you're just stating the obvious. Maybe you'd care to explain why you feel so inclined, that would be much more interesting than the past few posts you've made here.

[Dolan]

Sure, that's all fine and dandy, but what's the point of this? I don't really care about you, nobody leveled an accusation at you, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to defend yourself.

Then what does this actually mean:

Funny how a building gets a thread, but nobody seems to bat an eyelash anymore when a few dozen people are murdered or if hundreds of people die in planecrashes or typhoons. If it was a terror attack, then they seem to have struck a chord! Even lejend and dolan are mortarfied.

How am I mortarfied? And what is this "nobody seems to bat an eyelash" etc contrasted with me replying to this thread, if not an accusation that I don't care about plane crashes or other events happening in other parts of the world?
I wasn't even particularly shaken by this event from France. I just posted a few pics and made some comments on potential damages. Then you showed up in the thread sputtering knee-jerk, moralising statements on how could some people be concerned with what happened in France but not with every other incident from elsewhere in the world.

Even if you personally only went to that thread because you were bored or because it's your field of expertise, it's not relevant. We only have to look at that thread to see that you were wrong. Spanky and GS posted in it a lot, and they're both european. americans posted in threads about terror attacks in europe. Americans even posted in this thread. Still not sure why all of this has to be brought up, are you saying that anything I said was false?

Everyone's got their own reasons for why they are unusually interested in US politics. It's not like they are statistically representative for Norwegians or Dutch people or that they show some kind of underlying trend.

I don't seem to recall ever asking for a justification of the observed phenomenon. It's interesting that you seem inclined to give it, even though you're just stating the obvious. Maybe you'd care to explain why you feel so inclined, that would be much more interesting than the past few posts you've made here.

This is what you posted

The past few months you have been more active in the thread about America. In either case, whether you have been active in one or the other by a few more posts isn't really the point, is it? Fact of the matter is, you can be interested in something that happens on another continent.

And I replied that I wasn't posting in that thread because I was particularly interested in what happened in the US. I just replied because it was an active thread and I had some tangential opinions on some of the stuff posted there.

[deleted_user0]

Then what does this actually mean:

Funny how a building gets a thread, but nobody seems to bat an eyelash anymore when a few dozen people are murdered or if hundreds of people die in planecrashes or typhoons. If it was a terror attack, then they seem to have struck a chord! Even lejend and dolan are mortarfied.

I've explained that post at least 3 times now. I won't do it again. It's not my fault that you don't know how to read and instead just read what you want to see.

I wasn't even particularly shaken by this event from France. I just posted a few pics and made some comments on potential damages. Then you showed up in the thread sputtering knee-jerk, moralising statements on how could some people be concerned with what happened in France but not with every other incident from elsewhere in the world.

Actually that's not what happened. There's no moralising in my post. That's what you want to read, because that's your assumption. Again, I don't see the point to argue against your phantoms. Come with something real.

Everyone's got their own reasons for why they are unusually interested in US politics. It's not like they are statistically representative for Norwegians or Dutch people or that they show some kind of underlying trend.

Everyone has got a reason for something. That's irrelevant. According to you, people can't be interested in something that happens outside their geographical area solely based upon where they live (or were born). That's simply fallacious. The fact that you can find a valid reason why they care doesn't change the fact THAT they care. Even though I have already admitted that you are right about the fact that no one can care about everything. But that's not what my post was about, so I don't see why I have to defend a position that I never took in the first place. Again. You're seeing ghosts. As usual. Try again.

And I replied that I wasn't posting in that thread because I was particularly interested in what happened in the US. I just replied because it was an active thread and I had some tangential opinions on some of the stuff posted there.

And I already told you why it's irrelevant. As for the last part, are you denying that fact? If not, then what are we talking about?

[Dolan]

Maybe your point is simply not clear.

[deleted_user0]

Maybe your point is simply not clear.

maybe you should try reading my post before going on a rant about why you do what you do. I never cared about that in the first place, but you feel attacked and start chasing ghosts. Take a breath.

The point was, however, that if it was a terrorist attack, then it was a successful one. Way more than if they, let's say, had killed a 100 people.

My point was, that if it's a terror attack, then they have it's a successful change in strategy

[Dolan]

So what's the point of discussing hypotheticals here? How do "if"s matter if there's no evidence either way?

[deleted_user0]

So what's the point of discussing hypotheticals here? How do "if"s matter if there's no evidence either way?

Considering that it was brought up, I think it's not weird to respond to it, don't you think? You are discussing hypotheticals all the time, as well as stuff that's just blatantly false or never even mentioned by anyone in this thread before, so it's hardly an argument. Why can't you just admit you can't read, and then do something about it, you know that admitting the problem is the first step towards a solution...

btw, you couldve watched a GoT episode easily in this time.

[Dolan]

Anyway, this is a surprise

https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/news/ ... ar-BBVYQRN

French Billionaires Pledge 300 Million Euros for Notre-Dame Rescue

France’s luxury-goods tycoons pledged 300 million euros ($339 million) to help in the reconstruction of Notre-Dame cathedral after the Paris landmark was ravaged by fire on Monday, answering a call from President Emmanuel Macron for a fund-raising campaign.
Francois-Henri Pinault, the chairman and chief executive officer of Gucci owner Kering SA, and his father, Francois Pinault, will donate 100 million euros from their Artemis investment company, the family said Tuesday in an emailed statement. Their archrival, the Arnault family, responded minutes later with a pledge of 200 million euros and the architectural and design resources of their LVMH fashion conglomerate.

Bernard Arnault, the main shareholder of LVMH Moet Hennessy Louis Vuitton SE, and his family will donate money “dedicated to the construction of this architectural work, which makes up part of the history of France.” He’s the world’s third-richest person, with a $90.4 billion fortune.
“LVMH Group will put at the disposal of the state all of its teams -- creative, architectural, financial -- to help on the one hand with the long construction work, and on the other hand with the fundraising effort,” the family said in a statement.

Wait I thought rich people can only be evil, that's what spanky taught us. There's no way in which you could be rich and do something useful for the community.

[deleted_user0]

Anyway, this is a surprise


Wait I thought rich people can only be evil, that's what spanky taught us. There's no way in which you could be rich and do something useful for the community.

I can't help but notice that you embark on all kinds of baiting, though.
And no, that's not a surprise. You're practically a walking red herring.

[pecelot]

[spoiler=Kappacabana][/spoiler]

change my mind

[Googol]

Do not forget that these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny.

Those tweets make my blood boil.

[Sargsyan]

Do not forget that these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny.

Those tweets make my blood boil.