fightinfrenchman wrote:@iwillspankyou It doesn't seem like the election buying is going so well for them
That pleases me, a lot
fightinfrenchman wrote:Another one bites the dust
Bites the crust
A slushie a day keeps the refill thread at bay
Jackson Pollock was the best poster to ever to post on these forums
This is the biggest issue in this election.
What could possibly be the reasoniwillspankyou wrote:And why not do both?
btw, Warren is dropping in the polls, and it seems to me, that Sanders is the main receiver of Warrens's voters? Imo Warren should drop out, and endorse Sanders. In the end, this will be a battle between Sanders and Biden.
The only remaining question would be if Bernie could unite the Democratic base like Trump did in 2016. Probably a much harder task as it is much more fractured than Republicans but still could happen.
iwillspankyou wrote:I really do not think a candidate that will NOT campaign for M4A, can win in the long run. The support for it is just too big in the Dem base. When ppl find out where the different candidates are landing on this issue, I think they change their minds about some of their preferences.
This is the biggest issue in this election.
I dunno about that. I mean, sure, if you check surveys, more people in the USA say they support universal healthcare now than they did some years ago. But that doesn't tell you what kind of scheme they would support. It's like Brits voting for Brexit, you have no idea what kind of Brexit they would support or if there's any majority for any kind of Brexit (there probably isn't).
I think the main issue in any US election will be money, the economy. Trump made some bets when he started trade wars with other countries and he promised Americans can only gain from slapping tariffs on other countries' goods. If his policies don't deliver and the economy gets in a worse shape, then this will have consequences. You forget that Americans have some of the highest wages in the world. Those who have high wages don't care that much about universal healthcare. And the number of people with very low wages in the USA is not that large. They have a pretty balanced distribution of income levels. Most Americans make more than 50000 dollars per year:
In 2012 the average income in the USA was 51000 USD. In Norway the average income after tax in 2012 was about the same, but cost of living in Norway is very high. The only major difference is that the distribution of income levels is skewed towards the bottom in the USA, while in Norway it's skewed towards the top, meaning the number of people with very high incomes in Norway is much higher than the number of people with very low income.
Norway, income per households (breakdown in percentiles per levels of income after tax):
It seems like income inequality is rising in Norway: the middle class is starting to shrink while the top earners are making a lot more money than they used to, 5 years ago. I don't have data to compare with the USA, but there's probably a similar trend.
Bear in mind that other European countries have much lower average income levels than Norway and the USA. But in terms of purchasing power, Europeans are slightly better or close to American levels, I think. And that's thanks to free healthcare and education.
So, as long as Americans continue to have very high levels of individual income, I doubt universal healthcare will be their uppermost concern. And those that say they would agree with such a scheme have very different notions of what universal healthcare should be about. Which makes me doubt that this will be the main theme of the next elections. Sure, it's up there among other themes, but I doubt it's the be all and end all theme of the next elections.
I'd dispute this, although I guess we have different definition of "large" here.And the number of people with very low wages in the USA is not that large
Most households*. The difference is rather significant. And 20% of households having a combined income of less than 25k is definitely a problem. That's near or under the poverty line depending on the size of the family. We're talking about ~60 million people.Dolan wrote:Most Americans make more than 50000 dollars per year:
Many of those included in those low-income brackets are part-time workers and students making a buck while completing their studies. There are also probably lots of immigrants that have just arrived in the US and who lack the skills and training to have access to higher paying jobs.Goodspeed wrote:I'd dispute this, although I guess we have different definition of "large" here.And the number of people with very low wages in the USA is not that large
If by "the most common household income" you mean 6% of all households, sure...Goodspeed wrote:I think you'd have trouble making a living as a household with an income between $10k and $15k, which was apparently the most common household income in 2012, pretty much anywhere in the US.