US Politics Megathread

[spanky4ever]

@spanky4ever Where did you get that 90% figure? From what I've read it's about two thirds.

Not sure tbh, it was something I heard from a TYT video, I think But 2/3 is also a big majority

[Goodspeed]

TYT is extremely biased, probably not good to base your takes on their content.
2/3 is nowhere near 90%

[knusch]

i assume u'll get 90% support if u ask whether ppl support a right to abortion in the most extreme scenario eg. life of the woman is in danger.
if u ask ppl whether abortion generally should be legal beyond 1st trimester you prob have a majority in support of restrictive to generally banning it in the 3rd trimester.

if someone honestly believes that most ppl r comfortable with abortions in 3rd trimester just log off twitter and go outside^^

[spanky4ever]

I am not sure, but I do think most ppl will have objections on abortions after 12 week. Including myself. There are maybe a number of reasons to go beyond that date, but it should not be a free ticket to delay.

[spanky4ever]

I guess that is a problem in usa, there are no limit, and its not regulated.

[princeofcarthage]

I have a simple question. If it is proven in time that life begins at conception (although many studies already suggest it does, but say in time beyond doubt) would people who are pro-abortion at the moment till some x week be against it? Or that it is proven that life begins ~at week x would people who are pro-life change their views to abortion after x weeks?

[knusch]

I have a simple question. If it is proven in time that life begins at conception (although many studies already suggest it does, but say in time beyond doubt) would people who are pro-abortion at the moment till some x week be against it? Or that it is proven that life begins ~at week x would people who are pro-life change their views to abortion after x weeks?

what is life?

[spanky4ever]

I have a simple question. If it is proven in time that life begins at conception (although many studies already suggest it does, but say in time beyond doubt) would people who are pro-abortion at the moment till some x week be against it? Or that it is proven that life begins ~at week x would people who are pro-life change their views to abortion after x weeks?

what is life?

Trees, weeds, anoeba, anything you can think off, exept maybe rocks.

[princeofcarthage]

I have a simple question. If it is proven in time that life begins at conception (although many studies already suggest it does, but say in time beyond doubt) would people who are pro-abortion at the moment till some x week be against it? Or that it is proven that life begins ~at week x would people who are pro-life change their views to abortion after x weeks?

what is life?

Really? This is the path you choose?

Whenever anyone does study and publishes the inferences they obviously define what a particular term means. As such I don't have to define it. So for ex. If you search on google when does life begin, then there is a study from Stanford or Harvard I think which explains. They obviously define what they think of life.

The whole question was phrased in such a manner where technicality wasn't needed and yet you invoke one!

[princeofcarthage]

I have a simple question. If it is proven in time that life begins at conception (although many studies already suggest it does, but say in time beyond doubt) would people who are pro-abortion at the moment till some x week be against it? Or that it is proven that life begins ~at week x would people who are pro-life change their views to abortion after x weeks?

what is life?

Trees, weeds, anoeba, anything you can think off, exept maybe rocks.

Why hate rocks?

[knusch]

I have a simple question. If it is proven in time that life begins at conception (although many studies already suggest it does, but say in time beyond doubt) would people who are pro-abortion at the moment till some x week be against it? Or that it is proven that life begins ~at week x would people who are pro-life change their views to abortion after x weeks?

what is life?

Really? This is the path you choose?

Whenever anyone does study and publishes the inferences they obviously define what a particular term means. As such I don't have to define it. So for ex. If you search on google when does life begin, then there is a study from Stanford or Harvard I think which explains. They obviously define what they think of life.

The whole question was phrased in such a manner where technicality wasn't needed and yet you invoke one!

just link me the study if u wanna refer to it

to make it short. the definition of life is rly the only relevant question. one that no study gonna give you an answer for and if one disagrees with any study's definition of it the study becomes bascially irrelevant.

[princeofcarthage]

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I have a simple question. If it is proven in time that life begins at conception (although many studies already suggest it does, but say in time beyond doubt) would people who are pro-abortion at the moment till some x week be against it? Or that it is proven that life begins ~at week x would people who are pro-life change their views to abortion after x weeks?

what is life?

Really? This is the path you choose?

Whenever anyone does study and publishes the inferences they obviously define what a particular term means. As such I don't have to define it. So for ex. If you search on google when does life begin, then there is a study from Stanford or Harvard I think which explains. They obviously define what they think of life.

The whole question was phrased in such a manner where technicality wasn't needed and yet you invoke one!

just link me the study if u wanna refer to it

to make it short. the definition of life is rly the only relevant question. one that no study gonna give you an answer for and if one disagrees with any study's definition of it the study becomes bascially irrelevant.

Let's simplify this, considering a simple question is to hard for you to understand. Most discussions (at least on forums) have been revolving around consciousness. What if science at some point in future could definitively prove that fetus develops conciousness at time x of pregnancy. Would pro life or pro abortion people change their opinions respectively?

[knusch]

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I have a simple question. If it is proven in time that life begins at conception (although many studies already suggest it does, but say in time beyond doubt) would people who are pro-abortion at the moment till some x week be against it? Or that it is proven that life begins ~at week x would people who are pro-life change their views to abortion after x weeks?

what is life?

Really? This is the path you choose?

Whenever anyone does study and publishes the inferences they obviously define what a particular term means. As such I don't have to define it. So for ex. If you search on google when does life begin, then there is a study from Stanford or Harvard I think which explains. They obviously define what they think of life.

The whole question was phrased in such a manner where technicality wasn't needed and yet you invoke one!

just link me the study if u wanna refer to it

to make it short. the definition of life is rly the only relevant question. one that no study gonna give you an answer for and if one disagrees with any study's definition of it the study becomes bascially irrelevant.

Let's simplify this, considering a simple question is to hard for you to understand. Most discussions (at least on forums) have been revolving around consciousness. What if science at some point in future could definitively prove that fetus develops conciousness at time x of pregnancy. Would pro life or pro abortion people change their opinions respectively?

if u take a reasonable definition of consciousness no pro lifer that holds a believe like "life starts at conception" will be fine with abortions even if were able to prove that consciousness begins with lets say 18 weeks.
same is true vice versa

[princeofcarthage]

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I have a simple question. If it is proven in time that life begins at conception (although many studies already suggest it does, but say in time beyond doubt) would people who are pro-abortion at the moment till some x week be against it? Or that it is proven that life begins ~at week x would people who are pro-life change their views to abortion after x weeks?

what is life?

Really? This is the path you choose?

Whenever anyone does study and publishes the inferences they obviously define what a particular term means. As such I don't have to define it. So for ex. If you search on google when does life begin, then there is a study from Stanford or Harvard I think which explains. They obviously define what they think of life.

The whole question was phrased in such a manner where technicality wasn't needed and yet you invoke one!

just link me the study if u wanna refer to it

to make it short. the definition of life is rly the only relevant question. one that no study gonna give you an answer for and if one disagrees with any study's definition of it the study becomes bascially irrelevant.

Let's simplify this, considering a simple question is to hard for you to understand. Most discussions (at least on forums) have been revolving around consciousness. What if science at some point in future could definitively prove that fetus develops conciousness at time x of pregnancy. Would pro life or pro abortion people change their opinions respectively?

if u take a reasonable definition of consciousness no pro lifer that holds a believe like "life starts at conception" will be fine with abortions even if were able to prove that consciousness begins with lets say 18 weeks.
same is true vice versa

From what I understood after reading your response is that in general most won't change their opinion, is that correct?

[knusch]

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I have a simple question. If it is proven in time that life begins at conception (although many studies already suggest it does, but say in time beyond doubt) would people who are pro-abortion at the moment till some x week be against it? Or that it is proven that life begins ~at week x would people who are pro-life change their views to abortion after x weeks?

what is life?

Really? This is the path you choose?

Whenever anyone does study and publishes the inferences they obviously define what a particular term means. As such I don't have to define it. So for ex. If you search on google when does life begin, then there is a study from Stanford or Harvard I think which explains. They obviously define what they think of life.

The whole question was phrased in such a manner where technicality wasn't needed and yet you invoke one!

just link me the study if u wanna refer to it

to make it short. the definition of life is rly the only relevant question. one that no study gonna give you an answer for and if one disagrees with any study's definition of it the study becomes bascially irrelevant.

Let's simplify this, considering a simple question is to hard for you to understand. Most discussions (at least on forums) have been revolving around consciousness. What if science at some point in future could definitively prove that fetus develops conciousness at time x of pregnancy. Would pro life or pro abortion people change their opinions respectively?

if u take a reasonable definition of consciousness no pro lifer that holds a believe like "life starts at conception" will be fine with abortions even if were able to prove that consciousness begins with lets say 18 weeks.
same is true vice versa

From what I understood after reading your response is that in general most won't change their opinion, is that correct?

yes, do u think if someone believes that life starts at conception because of some religious reason or otherwise gonna change their mind if you'd be able to show them that "actually only 18 weeks into pregnancy a fetus enters into a stage of development where it has a consciousness experience"?

[lejend]

Isn't that the guy who pulled a gun on a black jogger a few years ago?

No you're thinking of someone else

It could hurt him with black voters. If black turnout is weak, that might be enough for Republicans to squeak out a win

[lejend]

Apparently incinerating organic waste from hospitals is a common practice and is used as a source of energy.
That includes could-have-been-babies.

https://www.livescience.com/45139-aborted-fetuses-burned-incinerated-medical-waste.html

[lejend]

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I have a simple question. If it is proven in time that life begins at conception (although many studies already suggest it does, but say in time beyond doubt) would people who are pro-abortion at the moment till some x week be against it? Or that it is proven that life begins ~at week x would people who are pro-life change their views to abortion after x weeks?

what is life?

Really? This is the path you choose?

Whenever anyone does study and publishes the inferences they obviously define what a particular term means. As such I don't have to define it. So for ex. If you search on google when does life begin, then there is a study from Stanford or Harvard I think which explains. They obviously define what they think of life.

The whole question was phrased in such a manner where technicality wasn't needed and yet you invoke one!

just link me the study if u wanna refer to it

to make it short. the definition of life is rly the only relevant question. one that no study gonna give you an answer for and if one disagrees with any study's definition of it the study becomes bascially irrelevant.

It's already a fact that a human's life begins at fertilization. That's not something that's in dispute among biologists.

See: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=3211703

Academic biologists were recruited to participate in a study on their descriptive view of when life begins. A sample of 5,502 biologists from 1,058 academic institutions assessed statements representing the biological view ‘a human’s life begins at fertilization’. This view was used because previous polls and surveys suggest many Americans and medical experts hold this view. Each of the three statements representing that view was affirmed by a consensus of biologists (75-91%). The participants were separated into 60 groups and each statement was affirmed by a consensus of each group, including biologists that identified as very pro-choice (69-90%), very pro-life (92-97%), very liberal (70-91%), very conservative (94-96%), strong Democrats (74-91%), and strong Republicans (89-94%). Overall, 95% of all biologists affirmed the biological view that a human's life begins at fertilization (5212 out of 5502).

[fightinfrenchman]

It could hurt him with black voters. If black turnout is weak, that might be enough for Republicans to squeak out a win

We don't even know who he is running against yet lol

[fightinfrenchman]

It's already a fact that a human's life begins at fertilization. That's not something that's in dispute among biologists.

That's simply not true

[knusch]

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I have a simple question. If it is proven in time that life begins at conception (although many studies already suggest it does, but say in time beyond doubt) would people who are pro-abortion at the moment till some x week be against it? Or that it is proven that life begins ~at week x would people who are pro-life change their views to abortion after x weeks?

what is life?

Really? This is the path you choose?

Whenever anyone does study and publishes the inferences they obviously define what a particular term means. As such I don't have to define it. So for ex. If you search on google when does life begin, then there is a study from Stanford or Harvard I think which explains. They obviously define what they think of life.

The whole question was phrased in such a manner where technicality wasn't needed and yet you invoke one!

just link me the study if u wanna refer to it

to make it short. the definition of life is rly the only relevant question. one that no study gonna give you an answer for and if one disagrees with any study's definition of it the study becomes bascially irrelevant.

It's already a fact that a human's life begins at fertilization. That's not something that's in dispute among biologists.

See: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=3211703

Academic biologists were recruited to participate in a study on their descriptive view of when life begins. A sample of 5,502 biologists from 1,058 academic institutions assessed statements representing the biological view ‘a human’s life begins at fertilization’. This view was used because previous polls and surveys suggest many Americans and medical experts hold this view. Each of the three statements representing that view was affirmed by a consensus of biologists (75-91%). The participants were separated into 60 groups and each statement was affirmed by a consensus of each group, including biologists that identified as very pro-choice (69-90%), very pro-life (92-97%), very liberal (70-91%), very conservative (94-96%), strong Democrats (74-91%), and strong Republicans (89-94%). Overall, 95% of all biologists affirmed the biological view that a human's life begins at fertilization (5212 out of 5502).

nice draft paper

[scarm]

a visionary genius, truely

[Dolan]

Damn, how come nobody thought of this brilliant idea

[fightinfrenchman]

It's insanely depressing to me that billionaires choose to spend their time on Twitter when they could be doing literally anything else

[Cometk]

It's insanely depressing to me that billionaires choose to spend their time on Twitter when they could be doing literally anything else

the realization that even if u had a 10 figure windfall u'd still be posting on esoc