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Kiribati princeofcarthage
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Maybe GS was right about you. Don't you ever get tired of these out of context, nitpicked, strawman arguments.
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i don't
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@princeofcarthage
The thing is that you keep repeating talking points that I countered with arguments over and over again. And you keep coming back with the same stuff despite not having addressed those arguments, as if nothing has been said on these subjects.
It's not like someone will invest time into persuading you that what you're saying is a gross simplification if not downright distortion of facts. All this on the offtopic section of a dead-ish forum.
Everyone's got a better use for their time.
Up to a point it makes sense to have this sort of debates, if one wants to just practice their arguments, for whatever reason, or to just practice debating in general.
But it makes no sense to respond to points that have been covered before. There are way more fun ways to waste time than sperging out about politics on a dead forum.
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Dolan wrote:
23 Jun 2022, 17:34
It's not like someone will invest time into persuading you that what you're saying is a gross simplification if not downright distortion of facts.
He's just doing Gish gallop anyway.
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That and the bullshit asymmetry principle
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I could accuse you of doing the same. The thing is I have brought arguments to you from a neutral perspective, yet you couldn't counter one argument without your inherent bias against Russia. Despite overwhelming evidence from multiple sources, despite responses from countries representing 75%+ global population, 60%+ global economy, precedence and barrage of historical events, despite every western country having done same thing when in place of Russia, you still refuse to accept the truth of the situation.
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princeofcarthage wrote:
23 Jun 2022, 19:55
The thing is I have brought arguments to you from a neutral perspective
Then why are your arguments 100% indistinguishable from Kremlin vatnik propaganda.
yet you couldn't counter one argument without your inherent bias against Russia.
Not true, I countered them all. But you just move on without acknowledging you have no more counterarguments or just pretend nothing has been said.
despite responses from countries representing ... 60%+ global economy,
Can you prove this statement? Because based on my last estimation, it's exactly the other way around. It's most of the developed world and the biggest economies that condemned Russia for its imperialist invasion of Ukraine. If you only just add the USA and the EU's economies you get over half of the globe's economic output. But if you start adding Japan, Australia, South Korea, Taiwan you get over 60% of the world's generated economic value.
Here's a chart, you can do the calculations yourself, it's data from 2021 so recent enough:

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precedence and barrage of historical events
Yeah I already covered that. I explained to you how you are mistaken to claim the Ukrainian people and identity did not exist before the 20th century, I wrote a chronology showing the main events that defined Ukraine as a separate medieval entity with its own rulers and language that split from Russian many centuries ago and how Russian rulers tried to suppress it. They've been through the same pattern of events we see now since medieval times. Russian invaders have kept trying to occupy lands around their turf and just kept expanding by oppressing neighbouring peoples.
, despite every western country having done same thing when in place of Russia, you still refuse to accept the truth of the situation.
Where did Western countries occupy and annex foreign countries in the last century? Did Germany's or UK's or USA's territory increase through annexation somewhere in the last 100 years? They stopped doing that before the second WW, when Western colonial empires had already disappeared.
Iraq and Lybia and Afghanistan weren't territorial annexations, it wasn't what Russia is doing now in Ukraine. The USA didn't invade Iraq to take their territory, like Russia does in Ukraine. It's a very simple thing to notice that you refuse to acknowledge because you have this Russian fanboyism deeply screwed into your psyche.
And anyway whataboutism doesn't justify what Russia is doing now in Ukraine.
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Some report says Ukraines are out of weapons and supply, thus can't hold the frontline anymore. Do the simple "amount" of Russian overwhelms the accurate, deadly but rare western cannons?

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