US Politics Megathread

[fightinfrenchman]

Left-wing economic policy was simply not popular enough to be viable to campaign on, until the 2010s.

What are some left wing economic policies that you think are popular among
1.) the general public in the US
2.) the subset of swing voters you're describing (which already is different than it was in 2016, but that's beside the point)

[Goodspeed]

@Cometk You have to remember in the 70s you'd just had 40 years of left-wing politics and the economy was fucked so people were looking for something else. It pretty much took 30 years for a politically relevant number of people to warm up to left-wing economic policy again.

[fightinfrenchman]

Democrats basically had no choice but to be economically right-wing in the neolib era.

What

Yeah this is a funny thing about referring the 1980s political order. Republicans were doing really well, they won the White House 3 times in a row. Acting like this was obviously a politically unpopular thing isn't accurate

[Cometk]

@Cometk You have to remember in the 70s you'd just had 40 years of left-wing politics and the economy was fucked so people were looking for something else. It pretty much took 30 years for a politically relevant number of people to warm up to left-wing economic policy again.

What the fuck was the cold war about

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Left-wing economic policy was simply not popular enough to be viable to campaign on, until the 2010s.

What are some left wing economic policies that you think are popular among
1.) the general public in the US
2.) the subset of swing voters you're describing (which already is different than it was in 2016, but that's beside the point)

I'm not sure. I'm also not sure if it's really popular enough yet to win an election off of. But as I said, the number of people calling for left-wing stuff, while not a majority, is starting to become politically relevant.

[Goodspeed]

@Cometk You have to remember in the 70s you'd just had 40 years of left-wing politics and the economy was fucked so people were looking for something else. It pretty much took 30 years for a politically relevant number of people to warm up to left-wing economic policy again.

What the fuck was the cold war about

It doesn't matter what actually caused the economy to be fucked. The reality is, by that time people were looking for something else and Reagan found the (political) answer. His answer turned into a political movement so successful, democrats had no choice but to fall in line. Unless you're arguing they should've lost every election for 30 years on purpose, in which case I disagree but you do have a little bit of a point because one of the reasons democrats are in trouble now is that they fell in line so readily

[fightinfrenchman]

Left-wing economic policy was simply not popular enough to be viable to campaign on, until the 2010s.

What are some left wing economic policies that you think are popular among
1.) the general public in the US
2.) the subset of swing voters you're describing (which already is different than it was in 2016, but that's beside the point)

I'm not sure. I'm also not sure if it's really popular enough yet to win an election off of. But as I said, the number of people calling for things like higher taxes on the rich, all kinds of regulation, expanded social security, a single payer health care system etc,while not a majority, is starting to become politically relevant.

How do you feel about the Affordable Care Act? Do you think it was a good thing for Democrats to pass?

[Goodspeed]

I never said Obama didn't do good things. I think he was a decent president all things considered. Some mistakes were made with the 2008 fallout but yeah.
Note that Clinton also tried to pass health care reform

[Cometk]

@Cometk You have to remember in the 70s you'd just had 40 years of left-wing politics and the economy was fucked so people were looking for something else. It pretty much took 30 years for a politically relevant number of people to warm up to left-wing economic policy again.

What the fuck was the cold war about

It doesn't matter what actually caused the economy to be fucked. The reality is, by that time people were looking for something else and Reagan found the (political) answer. His answer turned into a political movement so successful, democrats had no choice but to fall in line. Unless you're arguing they should've lost every election for 30 years on purpose, in which case I disagree but you do have a little bit of a point because one of the reasons democrats are in trouble now is that they fell in line so readily

this country has always been right-wing by nature

[fightinfrenchman]

@Cometk You have to remember in the 70s you'd just had 40 years of left-wing politics and the economy was fucked so people were looking for something else. It pretty much took 30 years for a politically relevant number of people to warm up to left-wing economic policy again.

What the fuck was the cold war about

It doesn't matter what actually caused the economy to be fucked. The reality is, by that time people were looking for something else and Reagan found the (political) answer. His answer turned into a political movement so successful, democrats had no choice but to fall in line. Unless you're arguing they should've lost every election for 30 years on purpose, in which case I disagree but you do have a little bit of a point because one of the reasons democrats are in trouble now is that they fell in line so readily

Thank you for acknowledging the reality that Democrats are not the only people in the world with agency

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@Cometk You have to remember in the 70s you'd just had 40 years of left-wing politics and the economy was fucked so people were looking for something else. It pretty much took 30 years for a politically relevant number of people to warm up to left-wing economic policy again.

What the fuck was the cold war about

It doesn't matter what actually caused the economy to be fucked. The reality is, by that time people were looking for something else and Reagan found the (political) answer. His answer turned into a political movement so successful, democrats had no choice but to fall in line. Unless you're arguing they should've lost every election for 30 years on purpose, in which case I disagree but you do have a little bit of a point because one of the reasons democrats are in trouble now is that they fell in line so readily

this country has always been right-wing by nature

Did you have a point with that

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@Cometk You have to remember in the 70s you'd just had 40 years of left-wing politics and the economy was fucked so people were looking for something else. It pretty much took 30 years for a politically relevant number of people to warm up to left-wing economic policy again.

What the fuck was the cold war about

It doesn't matter what actually caused the economy to be fucked. The reality is, by that time people were looking for something else and Reagan found the (political) answer. His answer turned into a political movement so successful, democrats had no choice but to fall in line. Unless you're arguing they should've lost every election for 30 years on purpose, in which case I disagree but you do have a little bit of a point because one of the reasons democrats are in trouble now is that they fell in line so readily

this country has always been right-wing by nature

Did you have a point with that

Idek probably got mixed up somewhere while posting from work. But do want to circle back around to this:

@Cometk You have to remember in the 70s you'd just had 40 years of left-wing politics . . .

Because this is so grossly patently false. I feel as though you don't give much of any consideration to American imperialism in this era devastating Indonesia, Korea, Vietnam, et cetera ad infinitum in the bloodthirsty quest of establishing global capitalist hegemony. That is not left-wing politics

[fightinfrenchman]

Nominating liberal judges/justices is my number one concern

that is a chicken answer, make me disappointed in you. I always though you had some thinking behind those posts. Mybad

I did have some thinking behind my posts actually

[iNcog]

SCOTUS throws out gun restriction rulings.

Gay marriage within a month lads, you heard it here first.

[fightinfrenchman]

[Dolan]

About 20 bucks here, branded

[fightinfrenchman]

[lejend]

Hope you all had a wonderful Praise Month

[Cometk]

That is especially true when it comes to the climate crisis. Which is why we will work together and continue to work together, to address these issues, to tackle these challenges, and to work together as we continue to work operating from the new norms, rules, and agreements, that we will convene, to work together on, to galvanize global action. With that I thank you all, this is a matter of urgent priority for all of us, and I know we will work on this together.

[fightinfrenchman]

@lejend Do you think states should decide if interracial marriage is legal or not?

[lejend]

@lejend Do you think states should decide if interracial marriage is legal or not?

Marriage is something between a man and his wife. The state shouldn't be involved at all

[fightinfrenchman]

@lejend Do you think states should decide if interracial marriage is legal or not?

Marriage is something between a man and his wife. The state shouldn't be involved at all

That's not an answer to my question at all and you know it

[Cometk]

[princeofcarthage]

@lejend Do you think states should decide if interracial marriage is legal or not?

Marriage is something between a man and his wife. The state shouldn't be involved at all

That's not an answer to my question at all and you know it

What part of "state shouldn't be involved at all" doesn't imply state should not decide anything in the said matter at all is unclear to you?

[fightinfrenchman]

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@lejend Do you think states should decide if interracial marriage is legal or not?

Marriage is something between a man and his wife. The state shouldn't be involved at all

That's not an answer to my question at all and you know it

What part of "state shouldn't be involved at all" doesn't imply state should not decide anything in the said matter at all is unclear to you?

The state has already decided, there are many legal ramifications to marriage regarding healthcare, taxes, etc. I'm asking about the Supreme Court overturning the ruling that made interracial marriage legal, and lejend isn't directly answering that because he has enough shame to know that it would look bad for him to say he's fine with that