Papist wrote:gibson wrote:Lol the classic "take something we don't understand and substitute God" argument.
If you have no plausible theory of your own, it is irrational of you to assume another can't possibly be true without any evidence to suggest such. Atheism is just as faith based as theism, only it likes to masquerade as science.
I dont assume it isnt true, I just dont consider it at all just like I dont consider that we got created by a 100 mile long extraterrestrial flying pickle. If you can bring more too the table then someone arguing that we were created by a flying pickle at that point I will weigh your argument against what I believe to be true. To reiterate, If pressed I would never say God can't possibly be true, but at this point I consider the existence of the Christian God to be as likely as the infinite other explanations about why we are here.
Papist wrote:gibson wrote:Well God doesn't explain anything, in fact he just makes things more complex. How was he created. How does his magic work etc etc
You are trying to apply natural laws and restrictions to something supernatural. Theists have a critical advantage in this debate - their explanations do not have to abide by the laws of nature (i.e. everything must be "created" by another thing and have a force that causes it to "work"), whereas atheists' do since they like to claim their arguments are scientific.
In the end, both arguments are faith based, and can neither proven nor disproven.
Not really. If we are arguing from a purely scientific point of view (i.e. what would be taught in a science class) the supernatural can't even be considered. If we're discussing a realm of possibly where the "supernatural" exists there are literally infinite other explanations to how we got here today, and not hardly anything that would imply it was because of the Christian god.
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gibson I'm curious, how did your parents respond when you told them of your change of heart?
I think they already kind of knew. I didn't make a particularly large effort to hide it, because I knew that it wouldn't change the way that they treated me or how much they cared for me. Mostly they were just sad, not with me, but with themselves. My mom already felt like she hadn't done the greatest job raising me, and this made her feel even more so. I was always rebellious as a child, so in retrospect I think they realized that having me go to church with them every sunday, pray before meals etc wasn't the best idea. Not that they ever forced me to, but I think they think if they had made it more optional I would have come to a different conclusion.
Also, I'd like to thank you for being willing to listen to me and carry on a discussion with me. If it hadn't been for you I'm honestly not sure where I would be today. Having someone besides my own strawmans to bounce ideas off of and discuss with was huge for me. I certainly wouldn't have had the patience to do so and neither would most of the other people I've met both on and off the internet. Honestly you're probably the most influential person in my life in terms of shaping what I believe today, and I really do appreciate it.