Charges Filed: Trump Campaign Russian Ties

[Rikikipu]

To be honest, I laugh hard when I see the county which has traficated elections all around the world during 50 years being afraid of potential collusion only in its own elections.

[Mr_Bramboy]

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https://www.apnews.com/3d81ee54ef3e4c86a98fda87981cba44/Manafort,-Gates-indicted-in-first-charges-from-Russia-probe

First set of charges come down in the Russia probe. Paul Manafort (who didn't see that coming) and Rick Gates. The next question is, how long before Mueller gets fired by Trump and will any Republicans grow a pair to call it for what it is.

What is it then
Who can even say that a single voter was swung from this "meddeling"??
How is this different than USA meddeling "everywhere" else?
The real "steal" was from Sanders, and now NY has admittet and appologyzed (after it went to cort) that they purged 200 000 votes, in Brocklyn only I really wonder how many it was in USA as a whole? But we will never find out, cos this fact only came up after a lawsuite was filed. If a person gives his/her vote 2 times, it will be jailtime to serve. I wonder how many in DNC NY will serve Jail time???
This is only one example of the scandal the 2016 election was - there are plenty where that came from

How about Clinton, when secretary of state, made arrangement for Russien companies to get hold of 20% of USA Uranium, while Clinton Foundation was generously donated to?? How about Bill Clinton having a meating with Putin in that same period when his wife was Secretary of State? Btw, Robert Mueler was a sentral figure in arranging that DEAL. He could possible get sacked over this now.

I mean, I find it troublesome with the Russian ties, but only in a corruption sense, and not in a voter stealing way.

Gotta start somewhere. The entire country is more corrupt than the average African nation; nothing new there.

What's ur basis for saying that bonerboy

Lobbying, aka legal bribing. What other countries call corruption and abolished long ago, the USA still practices on a daily basis. John McCain voted for Republican Care while he is suffering from brain cancer and being treated with tax payer's money, all because he was bribed to do so. That is both hilarious and sad at the same time.

Your right to use the internet without additional costs per service/website is being bribed as we speak: https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/29/1510 ... -fire-sale

[noissance]

https://www.apnews.com/3d81ee54ef3e4c86a98fda87981cba44/Manafort,-Gates-indicted-in-first-charges-from-Russia-probe

First set of charges come down in the Russia probe. Paul Manafort (who didn't see that coming) and Rick Gates. The next question is, how long before Mueller gets fired by Trump and will any Republicans grow a pair to call it for what it is.

What is it then
Who can even say that a single voter was swung from this "meddeling"??
How is this different than USA meddeling "everywhere" else?
The real "steal" was from Sanders, and now NY has admittet and appologyzed (after it went to cort) that they purged 200 000 votes, in Brocklyn only I really wonder how many it was in USA as a whole? But we will never find out, cos this fact only came up after a lawsuite was filed. If a person gives his/her vote 2 times, it will be jailtime to serve. I wonder how many in DNC NY will serve Jail time???
This is only one example of the scandal the 2016 election was - there are plenty where that came from

How about Clinton, when secretary of state, made arrangement for Russien companies to get hold of 20% of USA Uranium, while Clinton Foundation was generously donated to?? How about Bill Clinton having a meating with Putin in that same period when his wife was Secretary of State? Btw, Robert Mueler was a sentral figure in arranging that DEAL. He could possible get sacked over this now.

I mean, I find it troublesome with the Russian ties, but only in a corruption sense, and not in a voter stealing way.

Have you looked at the average american voter? they spend more time checking their facebook status than looking up politicians... Coincidentally, facebook was responsible for spreading 'fake news' articles.

I would also use a proxy to meet with putin, the guy is a narcissistic sleazeball.

Also, enough with the bernie stuff. We all know that Democrats won't survive another election.

[Asateo]

Your right to use the internet without additional costs per service/website is being bribed as we speak: https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/29/1510 ... -fire-sale

This is messed up.
Ofc you know that lobbying exists, but that doesn't make it any less shoking to see what is basically bribing.

[spanky4ever]

@Mr_Bramboy said:

John McCain voted for Republican Care while he is suffering from brain cancer and being treated with tax payer's money, all because he was bribed to do so.

not true though. John McCain and 2 other republican senators, voted againt Republican Care. That is the reason why they didnt got through
Trump are trying to sabotage the affordable care ack, by defunding it. That is another story

[spanky4ever]

What is going to surface in time, is pure corruption by Trump and his "associates". Has prolly nothing to do with colluding with Russia to win the election. Maybe Trump made a sweet deal with Russian Oligarchs to lift sanctions and other shenanigans? Prolly!!

[n0el]

What is going to surface in time, is pure corruption by Trump and his "associates". Has prolly nothing to do with colluding with Russia to win the election. Maybe Trump made a sweet deal with Russian Oligarchs to lift sanctions and other shenanigans? Prolly!!

It is known

[JakeyBoyTH]

Lobbying, aka legal bribing. What other countries call corruption and abolished long ago, the USA still practices on a daily basis. John McCain voted for Republican Care while he is suffering from brain cancer and being treated with tax payer's money, all because he was bribed to do so. That is both hilarious and sad at the same time.

Your right to use the internet without additional costs per service/website is being bribed as we speak: https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/29/1510 ... -fire-sale

Brain cancer is very much untreatable. McCain has limited amount of time left - and he voted against it. You can't bribe a dying man.

[oats13]

What is going to surface in time is that the great Trump is working hard to rid the world of socialism and many other evils and that the media, establishment republicans and democrats all conspired against him and alot of very conformist young people fell for it.

[Mr_Bramboy]

What is going to surface in time is that the great Trump is working hard to rid the world of socialism and many other evils and that the media, establishment republicans and democrats all conspired against him and alot of very conformist young people fell for it.

Why do you think socialism is evil? To an extend socialism is necessary for a country, shown by the fact that almost all western European nations have higher living standards and living satisfaction than the United States.

[oats13]

No developed European countries are socialist. Maybe portugal qualifies but not really, it has constitutional references but isn't actually socialist. Take your pick from Laos ,NK, China, Cuba and Vietnam if you want to live in a real socialist hellhole- I will admit that Europe is going that way though.
Socialism= slavery. You have been brainwashed into thinking that socialism =social democracy.

Tell me precisely in which E.U. countries the workers either own or own the fruits of the means of production?

[Asateo]

No developed European countries are socialist. Maybe portugal qualifies but not really, it has constitutional references but isn't actually socialist. Take your pick from Laos ,NK, China, Cuba and Vietnam if you want to live in a real socialist hellhole- I will admit that Europe is going that way though.
Socialism= slavery. You have been brainwashed into thinking that socialism =social democracy.

What are you talking about? Whole europe has had socialist governments over the last 50 years. France, Germany, Belgium, Uk, Scandinavia, Portugal, Spain, ...

I think you're mistaken socialism and communism. They are different things...

[JakeyBoyTH]

No developed European countries are socialist. Maybe portugal qualifies but not really, it has constitutional references but isn't actually socialist. Take your pick from Laos ,NK, China, Cuba and Vietnam if you want to live in a real socialist hellhole- I will admit that Europe is going that way though.
Socialism= slavery. You have been brainwashed into thinking that socialism =social democracy.

Tell me precisely in which E.U. countries the workers either own or own the fruits of the means of production?

China is actually quite a wealthy country with a growing middle class. I love it every time I go there. I can tell you one thing for certain - there is no corruption in China. They send you to a very far off place.

[oats13]

No developed European countries are socialist. Maybe portugal qualifies but not really, it has constitutional references but isn't actually socialist. Take your pick from Laos ,NK, China, Cuba and Vietnam if you want to live in a real socialist hellhole- I will admit that Europe is going that way though.
Socialism= slavery. You have been brainwashed into thinking that socialism =social democracy.

What are you talking about? Whole europe has had socialist governments over the last 50 years. France, Germany, Belgium, Uk, Scandinavia, Portugal, Spain, ...

I think you're mistaken socialism and communism. They are different things...

No you are mistaken- socialism is the preceding stage before communism- in socialism the workers have access to the fruits of the means of production and then they attain communism in which
they own the means of production- you clearly have never read any socialist literature.

Countries in Europe have had governments that have espoused but never achieved socialism hence your mistaken association of socialism and social democracy.

Any moment someone will say that Sweden is a socialist country- perhaps you can inform His Majesty Carl XVI Gustaf..........................

China is a third world country that oppresses it's poor and has recently done well since it started to allow capitalist ventures- it is corrupt to the core.

I suggest start with Marx then go on to Gramsci for reading.

[oats13]

No developed European countries are socialist. Maybe portugal qualifies but not really, it has constitutional references but isn't actually socialist. Take your pick from Laos ,NK, China, Cuba and Vietnam if you want to live in a real socialist hellhole- I will admit that Europe is going that way though.
Socialism= slavery. You have been brainwashed into thinking that socialism =social democracy.

What are you talking about? Whole europe has had socialist governments over the last 50 years. France, Germany, Belgium, Uk, Scandinavia, Portugal, Spain, ...

I think you're mistaken socialism and communism. They are different things...

No you are mistaken- socialism is the preceding stage before communism- in socialism the workers have access to the fruits of the means of production and then they attain communism in which
they own the means of production- you clearly have never read any socialist literature.

Countries in Europe have had governments that espouse but never achieved socialism hence your mistaken association of socialism and social democracy.

Any moment someone will say that Sweden is a socialist country- perhaps you can inform His Majesty Carl XVI Gustaf..........................

China is a third world country that oppresses it's poor and has recently done well since it started to allow capitalist ventures- it is corrupt to the core.

I suggest start with Marx then go on to Gramsci for reading.

[oats13]

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No developed European countries are socialist. Maybe portugal qualifies but not really, it has constitutional references but isn't actually socialist. Take your pick from Laos ,NK, China, Cuba and Vietnam if you want to live in a real socialist hellhole- I will admit that Europe is going that way though.
Socialism= slavery. You have been brainwashed into thinking that socialism =social democracy.

What are you talking about? Whole europe has had socialist governments over the last 50 years. France, Germany, Belgium, Uk, Scandinavia, Portugal, Spain, ...

I think you're mistaken socialism and communism. They are different things...

No you are mistaken- socialism is the preceding stage before communism- in socialism the workers have access to the fruits of the means of production and then they attain communism in which
they own the means of production- you clearly have never read any socialist literature.

Countries in Europe have had governments that have espoused but never achieved socialism hence your mistaken association of socialism and social democracy.

Any moment someone will say that Sweden is a socialist country- perhaps you can inform His Majesty Carl XVI Gustaf..........................

China is a third world country that oppresses it's poor and has recently done well since it started to allow capitalist ventures- it is corrupt to the core.

I suggest start with Marx then go on to Gramsci for reading.

[JakeyBoyTH]

China 3rd world country? Are you high? Instead of Marx or Gramsci you should read something called, 'the news'.

[oats13]

China 3rd world country? Are you high? Instead of Marx or Gramsci you should read something called, 'the news'.

Maybe one day when you visit you can slip the local govt workers and go visit some villages............................... the news................... omg it is laughable.

Prior to the Deng Xiaoping reform programs in the early eighties that ushered in the private finance (capitalism) era, China had poverty rates of nearly 90%.

[JakeyBoyTH]

China 3rd world country? Are you high? Instead of Marx or Gramsci you should read something called, 'the news'.

Maybe one day when you visit you can slip the local govt workers and go visit some villages............................... the news................... omg it is laughable.

I have visited lots of times. Take your tin-foil hat off.

[oats13]

My best friend edits a news paper in Beijing and another imports goods from China, I think you need to ask more questions of the locals when you go next time............ be careful though............

[spanky4ever]

@oats13 said:

Tell me precisely in which E.U. countries the workers either own or own the fruits of the means of production?

where is that country? would love to live there
Do you mean USA? That would be hillarious if you did

No you are mistaken- socialism is the preceding stage before communism- in socialism the workers have access to the fruits of the means of production and then they attain communism in which
they own the means of production- you clearly have never read any socialist literature.

hrrm: in communism the government/state, owns the means of production. This is becouse you cannot trust the people to make the right descisions? those pesants

[JakeyBoyTH]

My best friend edits a news paper in Beijing and another imports goods from China, I think you need to ask more questions of the locals when you go next time............ be careful though............

Speak for yourself man.

[oats13]

@oats13 said:

Tell me precisely in which E.U. countries the workers either own or own the fruits of the means of production?

where is that country? would love to live there
Do you mean USA? That would be hillarious if you did

You are misinterpreting something spank pls read through the previous posts- what I am saying is there is NO European country in which the workers own the means of production, but you actually help to prove my point- Thanks.

In point of fact to @Asateo marx and engels use the terms 'socialism' and 'communism' interchangeably.

[spanky4ever]

@oats13
Critizicing China is maybe fair to some extent, if you dont take in to concideration how it was before the Communist revolution.

One of the largest contributions that the Communists have made to CHinese society is in the field of poverty reduction. Before the Communists came to power the life expectancy of the average Chinese person was barely 40 but today it has risen to over 70. According to statistics by the the World Bank the life expectancy of Chinese people rose sharply after the Great Leap Forward in the 1960’s which was an economic move to collectivize China’s backwards agriculture and to modernise its production. The results were a rise in life expectancy, less dependence on agriculture for the economy, and the ability for the country to divert more resources towards other areas of improvement such as art, defense and science.

https://www.google.no/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... o4ztJg6BdQ

There has prolly never been a country that has rissen so fast, from slavery, illitaracy, poverty, as China, - well maybe Sovjet Union.

(sorry for contributing to this post going OFF to something ELSE)

[oats13]

@oats13
Critizicing China is maybe fair to some extent, if you dont take in to concideration how it was before the Communist revolution.

One of the largest contributions that the Communists have made to CHinese society is in the field of poverty reduction. Before the Communists came to power the life expectancy of the average Chinese person was barely 40 but today it has risen to over 70. According to statistics by the the World Bank the life expectancy of Chinese people rose sharply after the Great Leap Forward in the 1960’s which was an economic move to collectivize China’s backwards agriculture and to modernise its production. The results were a rise in life expectancy, less dependence on agriculture for the economy, and the ability for the country to divert more resources towards other areas of improvement such as art, defense and science.

https://www.google.no/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... o4ztJg6BdQ

There has prolly never been a country that has rissen so fast, from slavery, illitaracy, poverty, as China, - well maybe Sovjet Union.

So........ on balance that was worth killing 50 million people for or not? China's GDP per head is below mexicos even though it has doubled in a decade- since they allowed some form of capitalism

The 'great leap forwards' is refered to here- btw 'the independent' is a left wing paper one of the the few who admit this kind of thing--- http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 81630.html

A quote- "It ranks alongside the gulags and the Holocaust as one of the three greatest events of the 20th century.... It was like [the Cambodian communist dictator] Pol Pot's genocide multiplied 20 times over," he said." .................so that's the holocaust, pol pot, the gulags and hitlers' holocaust on the slate for socialism............

Quote from Hitler- " "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun....the whole of National Socialism....was based on Marx."