Amsel_ wrote:I think you're exaggerating a bit. Racism is almost universally hated in the West. You'll lose friends, have family disown you, get fired, and maybe even get assaulted or killed if you go around saying racist things. If your goal is to stop racism then I think everything is already in place to prevent it from ever being more than a fringe minority.
It's funny that you say that, considering we even have politicians openly making racist remarks and implementing racist policy that explicitly target ethnic minorities in an absurd echo of the 1930's. Some people get fired, sure, some might lose friends, although I doubt you have any statistics to back that up. But please show me some examples of people killed for saying racist things? Your post is so grotesquely delusional, it's hard to know where to begin.
What I'm concerned about is the effect of this hysteric hatred of racism, real or imaginary. People are already under a lot of stress because of the need to conform to certain social-standards in civil society.
So it's ok to force immigrants to conform to social-standards of civil society, but not OK to ask the same of people? Which people do you mean?
The fear of having a giant lynch mob come try to ruin your life if you so much as misspeak is certainly not healthy.
It isn't. It's what we call a phobia, or an irrational fear of something.
I don't like having to tip-toe around in some discussions out of fear of getting black-listed from jobs, and I've freed myself from most if not all social standards and pressures.
So basically you want to be able to say anything you want, but you refuse to acknowledge the consequences of your actions? You ARE free to say what you want. Nobody will actually put you in jail. Please show me how many people have been convicted for racism (and I'm not talking about inciting hate and harmful conduct towards people or groups of people). But just because you are free to say what you want, that doesn't mean you are free from criticism from other people, nor that you are free from how other people respond to your actions. And the key word here is action, you choose to act that way, you have control over it, and as such you are legally and morally responsible. Please let me know if you disagree.
I can't imagine how a teenage girl or some other heavily socially dependent person would react to having one of these mobs sent their way.
This is relevant why? You clearly can't imagine many things. I fail to see how this constitutes anything close to an argument.
This intense anti-racism may inadvertently make racism worse as well.
I agree with you on that. It will make some people more extreme in their beliefs, and it will push some who may have had doubts about their beliefs make up their mind. Many ideas and concepts that originate from the American discourse about race may have noble intent but likely achieve the opposite of what they want. Some are just plain misguided, wrong or racist as well. You can criticize that without emptying out the baby with the bath.
The reason being that it forces people to suppress any natural racism that may occur in one's mind.
In society we are forced and trained to suppress natural tendencies all the time, we have a natural tendency to shit and pee wherever we want whenever we have to, for example. Why don't you find this problematic in those cases, but you do find it problematic when it comes to this particular case? Please tell me what the difference is? Not to mention that you have to first clarify what natural racism is (I can see you tried, but failed, in the brackets that followed).
(Natural racism can include the 'chocolate' or 'monkey' remarks children often naively make, pattern recognition, or even socially trained racism.)
I'm not sure about chocolate, but actually children are quite capable of seeing the difference between monkeys and people, and if any child refers to another person as a monkey because of the color of their skin, it's because they have heard this used somewhere else. Considering that language is fundamentally a cultural expression, it's kinda strange to list it as a natural racism. I think this more accurately reflects your own beliefs rather than anything else that has a basis in fact or science. If you can show me any studies on the contrary, please do.
Not sure what you mean by pattern recognition, but I do recognize the pattern that you like to be vague and assert things without any clarification or argument.
Finally you mention socially trained racism... but I thought we were talking about natural racism. Again, you confuse me. What is it exactly that you are trying to say? That we can learn children unwanted behaviour, but we can't unlearn it?
I think that just suppressing and attacking racism is ineffective because it doesn't actually deal with the issues; it just bullies people into silence.
So what do you propose? Because if you don't attack and resist racism, than you are bullied into silence. Why is that ok, but the reverse isn't?
So this is going to open up opportunities for people to sublimate their subconscious racism in other areas. Someone might hate immigration and refugees because that allows them to express their dislike for these groups while being able to say they're not racist.
They can say that. And some do. And they would be/are wrong.
The current liberal stratagem doesn't work.
I was unaware that civil decency was a liberal stratagem. You know the world is bigger than the USA, right?
In fact it makes it harder to actually solve the underlying problems which cause racism in the first place.
In your opinion, what causes racism?
I think that instead of witch hunts it would be more effective to allow people to express themselves freely. I think we should free people from social pressures instead of creating even more.
I agree, but I don't think you quite understand what that means. It seems you want to be able to express certain things, but when other people disagree with that, then they are bullying you and oppressing you. That's kinda strange, isn't it?