US Politics Megathread

[spanky4ever]

get real @Dolan and we are talking about NOW, and the Soviet Union is long gone.

[Dolan]

The USA is not sending tens of millions of people to gulags, it is not supporting genocidal regimes that imprison their own people or starve them, they do not invade a country simply because their political leadership refuses to comply with their policies, etc.

Seriously people READ ABOUT STALINISM. Stop being so clueless. You have no idea how destructive Communism and the USSR have been for the world. Same for Communist China. Read about how many TENS OF MILLIONS OF CHINESE PEOPLE HAVE DIED, BECAUSE OF MAO-TSE DONG's INSANE POLICIES.

This is were you lose it, and go bananas. I get it, communism is really bad, and I agree. See my post above, and read it this time

Maybe, but you guys have never lived under Communism, so it's probably very comfortable for you to speak about this subject. Your country wasn't invaded and destroyed by Communism after World War 2. So please, stop lecturing others who have effectively lived under that regime and saw their country destroyed by Communism and Soviet Russia's genocidal policies. They have literally sent millions of people to their deaths in Siberia and in other remote places. They have made sure they died of starvation and overworking.

Too bad your country's history books don't teach you enough about this topic.

[princeofcarthage]

But they do. What the fuck are you talking about?

The US didn't invade any country because they were trying to become more democratic.

But they did invade countries for trying to be more communistic? How is that any different? What gives US the right to decide that communism or democracy is the only right form of government? Let people of individual countries decide that. You argue that USSR is wrong cuz it tried imposing its will on other countries. How US doing the same thing is right then?

[princeofcarthage]

United States has been responsible for somewhere between 20-30 million deaths since WWII. I want to see you justifying that. The problem is you have been living the US lie for so long that entire world seems bad to you. Of course no one is clean and US has done things that China and Russia has done. Maybe even worse. USA is responsible for death of millions and their many future generations when they dropped atomic bombs. USA doesn't want other nations developing Nuclear or Chemical weapons when USA itself has largest stockpiles of those weapons? #Hypocrisy. USA has destroyed, divided numerous nations. Atleast Russia and China don't do it under the pretext of "For your own good we are doing this" "For the better future" and other such things.

Post historical evidence supported by real historians which support what you are saying.

What, you want historical proof of America dropping atomic weapons, when they had effectively already won the war? America has 3rd largest standing army(the other being India and china cuz of hostile relations) largest active nuclear weapons, largest stock of chemical weapons? Largest military budget, Largest naval force (china recently surpassed yeah). USA has been using military to impose its will since forever. You want proof? Maybe get off your comp and travel.

[Dolan]

Which country did the US invade because it was trying to adopt Communism?

Afghanistan was first invaded by Soviet Russia in 1979, not the USA.

[princeofcarthage]

America uses crippling economic sanctions which effectively ruins countries finances and then people still become poor and die of starvation and lack of other basic necessities. Yeah I will give you that unlike USSR USA does it more subtly.

[spanky4ever]

Which country did they US invade because it was trying to adopt Communism?

cmon, you cannot be that smart, and so ignorant at the same time

[Googol]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism ... human_face
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Spring

Related to as in what @Dolan previously posted about invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968, as a result of it the Warsaw Pact troops have been stationed in Czechoslovakia until 1989 occupying it for a period of 21 years in total.

[Horsemen]

America uses crippling economic sanctions which effectively ruins countries finances and then people still become poor and die of starvation and lack of other basic necessities. Yeah I will give you that unlike USSR USA does it more subtly.

Nah, countries cripple themselves for failing to adopt the best economic system (the USA system).

[spanky4ever]

Support Tulsi, she is against US intervention, and for diplomacy, around the globe. She wants to use that US tax money at home, building infrastructure, and switching to Green energy. She is awesome

[Dolan]

@Googol These people are clueless, their only knowledge about Communism and the USSR is from TV shows.

And since they grew up in a world in which the USA has been the dominant superpower, they now think the USA is equally genocidal as the USSR has been. I can't blame them for the failure of their own schools.

[fightinfrenchman]

2020 Democratic Primary

[lejend]

@Googol These people are clueless, their only knowledge about Communism and the USSR is from TV shows.

And since they grew up in a world in which the USA has been the dominant superpower, they now think the USA is equally genocidal as the USSR has been. I can't blame them for the failure of their own schools.

People don't appreciate what they have until they face the prospect of losing it.

[princeofcarthage]

There's literally no point discussing this any further when you think you are simply right and others wrong. There's no space for others perspective in your narrow mind. More than facts and discussions you have been doing attacks on people and their institutions in the past few comments. No one here is saying that USSR or China are innocent but at the same time you can't be blind to the fact that USA is equally criminal. If you can't accept that simple fact then I don't know what to say to you, what are you drinking?!

[spanky4ever]

@Googol These people are clueless, their only knowledge about Communism and the USSR is from TV shows.

And since they grew up in a world in which the USA has been the dominant superpower, they now think the USA is equally genocidal as the USSR has been. I can't blame them for the failure of their own schools.

could it be you are blind?Stuck in you sorry past, forgetting that Soviet failed badly some 20 years ago. There is nobody here condoning SRRS, but still, you keep them coming up, as a thing. It's like they still were in power.

[Dolan]

@lejend It's also the effect of exposure. Since their memories about whatever failed policies the USA supported around the world are fresher and more vivid than whatever they must have learned in school about Communism and the USSR, they now think there's not much of a difference between the USA and the USSR.

In fact, if you check the death toll, Communism has killed more people than the much-reviled Nazism. But still people talk about Nazism as the worst possible political regime, when it was actually Communism that was the most genocidal and murderous regime in the whole history.

[spanky4ever]

@Googol These people are clueless, their only knowledge about Communism and the USSR is from TV shows.

And since they grew up in a world in which the USA has been the dominant superpower, they now think the USA is equally genocidal as the USSR has been. I can't blame them for the failure of their own schools.

People don't appreciate what they have until they face the prospect of losing it.

True, and I am sorry to say, USA lost it, but I hope for their happy return to a solid democracy

[Dolan]

There's literally no point discussing this any further when you think you are simply right and others wrong. There's no space for others perspective in your narrow mind. More than facts and discussions you have been doing attacks on people and their institutions in the past few comments. No one here is saying that USSR or China are innocent but at the same time you can't be blind to the fact that USA is equally criminal. If you can't accept that simple fact then I don't know what to say to you, what are you drinking?!

Post evidence that supports your claim that the USA is equally criminal, compared to the USSR and/or Communist China.

[lejend]

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10 ... 2714560350

Based on a cross-national, time-series data analysis of 164 countries for the years 1981 to 2005, this study presents empirical models that evaluate the relative importance of these issues for contemporary American foreign and security policy. It turns out that, all other things being equal, the United States is likely to engage in military campaigns for humanitarian reasons that focus on human rights protection rather than for its own security interests such as democracy promotion or terrorism reduction. This finding is extremely robust and reinforced by case illustrations that support a causal explanation for US intervention with a basic and sustained place for human rights protection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWYrcnehito

[Dolan]

True, and I am sorry to say, USA lost it, but I hope for their happy return to a solid democracy

Maybe the USA lost the plot lately because they don't have much competition on a global scale. So they thought they can get away with any gross involvement in other countries' interests.

[spanky4ever]

@lejend It's also the effect of exposure. Since their memories about whatever failed policies the USA supported around the world are fresher and more vivid than whatever they must have learned in school about Communism and the USSR, they now think there's not much of a difference between the USA and the USSR.

In fact, if you check the death toll, Communism has killed more people than the much-reviled Nazism. But still people talk about Nazism as the worst possible political regime, when it was actually Communism that was the most genocidal and murderous regime in the whole history.

who is USSR? have they any power now? who are they exploiting currently? What is the goal for USSR now? What power does USSR have in the world, as of now?
If they do not have any. why do you bring it up, as if they did? or if its USSR or USA Man, you blow my mind with so much knowledge and so many stupid posts. You seem to be stuck in the 90s. Welcome to the 21s century.

[princeofcarthage]

I like how you bring up Nazi and Stalin but fail to bring up how a democratic British empire precipitated 2 world wars that directly resulted in millions of deaths, starved 35 million Indians to death, and thats just in India, America? Africa?

[Dolan]

@spanky4ever It's how the arguments progressed, if you check back the replies. It was about whether it is preferable to have a world dominated by the USA or by Russia and/or China. History shows that when Russia and China had it their way at least in one part of the world, they killed a lot more people and wrought a lot more destruction than the USA ever did in their whole history.

So, as I said, better with the devil you know.

[spanky4ever]

I like how you bring up Nazi and Stalin but fail to bring up how a democratic British empire precipitated 2 world wars that directly resulted in millions of deaths, starved 35 million Indians to death, and thats just in India, America? Africa?

The Brittish East India Company, yeah, I remember that documentary, but you have to suffer for THE Company to survive (sarcasm)

[spanky4ever]

@spanky4ever It's how the arguments progressed, if you check back the replies. It was about whether it is preferable to have a world dominated by the USA or by Russia and/or China. History shows that when Russia and China had it their way at least in one part of the world, they killed a lot more people and wrought a lot more destruction than the USA ever did in their whole history.

So, as I said, better with the devil you know.

And I can repeat myself: let the countries decide on their own. I guess we could agree on that