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- Gendarme
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
Biden: I'm not Trump vote for me please!!!!
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
Are you trying to say Bernie has no policies?
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- Gendarme
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
The ear prefers his politicians to not achieve anything, other than not being Trump.
- fightinfrenchman
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
No, I'm saying because Jerom didn't link to him saying anything, I have to assume he's never said anything beyond what was in Jerom's post.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
Bernie’s tax plan is on his website. He is less transparent about how much his healthcare plan will cost though and it’s anybody’s guess how he’ll pay for his $16.3 trillion Green New Deal on top of that.RefluxSemantic wrote:Do you have any source on what Bernie is specifically suggesting?
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
Biden is the kinda guy who would declare war on Russia by mistake.
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- Gendarme
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
I'm sorry I went into semantics in those last few posts, I should not have done that.
What you were saying I believe is that if Sanders were to mimic the scandinavian tax system, all people including the middle class would be paying more money, because their tax system is relatively flat. You are right in noticing that if you increase the tax rates that the middle classes will also be paying more money. However, the percentage being flat doesn't mean that the middle classes will actually be paying just as much as the upper classes. After all, the higher wages also earn more money, so they have to pay more taxes anyways. If you increase all taxes by a flat rate of 10%, more than half of the increase in tax incoming will actually be coming from the 1% and the rest from the other 99%.
Obviously you can't create a functioning wellfare state without having any money. But it's a bad thing to have people be unable to afford healthcare or to live in poverty, and it's a bad idea to be destroying the climate because saving it costs you money. In the end everyone has to pay, but even by increasing the taxes with a flat rate the majority of the money will be paid by the upper classes.
The reason why the Bernie campaign keeps bringing up Scandinavian countries is because those countries have proven that it's possible to build a well functioning wellfare state and that this is a thing that the USA can achieve too. Of course not everything he wants to get done will get done, that's how politics work. It's a very big leap to go from being the USA to being a very progressive wellfare state, so it will probably have to be done one step at a time. But it's the principle that counts. When you vote for Bernie, you know you're voting for a man who will try everything he can to help the USA get closer to achieving what he sees as the ultimate goal. He might not get there, but the Scandinavian countries didn't get there over night either. They got there because the people continually voted for the left and those left politicians slowly but surely got to where they are at now.
What you were saying I believe is that if Sanders were to mimic the scandinavian tax system, all people including the middle class would be paying more money, because their tax system is relatively flat. You are right in noticing that if you increase the tax rates that the middle classes will also be paying more money. However, the percentage being flat doesn't mean that the middle classes will actually be paying just as much as the upper classes. After all, the higher wages also earn more money, so they have to pay more taxes anyways. If you increase all taxes by a flat rate of 10%, more than half of the increase in tax incoming will actually be coming from the 1% and the rest from the other 99%.
Obviously you can't create a functioning wellfare state without having any money. But it's a bad thing to have people be unable to afford healthcare or to live in poverty, and it's a bad idea to be destroying the climate because saving it costs you money. In the end everyone has to pay, but even by increasing the taxes with a flat rate the majority of the money will be paid by the upper classes.
The reason why the Bernie campaign keeps bringing up Scandinavian countries is because those countries have proven that it's possible to build a well functioning wellfare state and that this is a thing that the USA can achieve too. Of course not everything he wants to get done will get done, that's how politics work. It's a very big leap to go from being the USA to being a very progressive wellfare state, so it will probably have to be done one step at a time. But it's the principle that counts. When you vote for Bernie, you know you're voting for a man who will try everything he can to help the USA get closer to achieving what he sees as the ultimate goal. He might not get there, but the Scandinavian countries didn't get there over night either. They got there because the people continually voted for the left and those left politicians slowly but surely got to where they are at now.
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- Gendarme
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
I liked this video:
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
Alright Pete, that'll be enough, bye
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
Surprises me that the country that hates taxes so much, doesn't have a tax free threshold for at least the first 10K earned. It doesn't make a lot of sense economically.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
?wardyb1 wrote:Surprises me that the country that hates taxes so much, doesn't have a tax free threshold for at least the first 10K earned. It doesn't make a lot of sense economically.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
fightinfrenchman wrote:Alright Pete, that'll be enough, bye
Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
@Amsel_ well which is it? This image you posted or the link you just posted? I'm just going off the image you posted.Amsel_ wrote:Lol, the Netherlands' lowest tax rate is our highest.RefluxSemantic wrote:NL has three categories, 36.7%, 38.1% and 51.75%
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- Gendarme
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
So instead of studying Ive been looking at the theory that Joe Biden is suffering from dementia and I thought it would be a meme, but you know, he reminds my a lot of my grandfather in the earlier stages of his dementia.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
I've posted this before but whatever
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
that was 11 years ago, and he's 77 years old now. you don't think something could've developed in that time?
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- Gendarme
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
This is all wild speculation, but if it were to be early stage dementia then he will not be able to perform his presidential duties anymore at the end of his term. My grandfather went from missing the highway exit when driving home in the dark to not knowing who I was (and after I told him I was his grandson of 18 yrs old getting angry with me for not meeting him for all those 18 yrs haha) in a similar timespan.
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- Gendarme
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
If its Alzheimers its not even unlikely that he would die from it before he finishes his first term.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
Seems a little creepy to be speculating about that kind of stuff but sure, anything is possible
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- Gendarme
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
We need to hit those 300 pages somehow
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- Gendarme
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
Betters currently think its very likely Sanders takes Iowa, NH and Nevada. That'd be a crushing defeat for the rest.
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- Gendarme
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
I dont know what it is, but all those things Bernie says move me so much. Whenever I watch a video of him, I'm on the verge of bursting into tears. I shouldnt even care. It's not my country, it won't affect me at all. But somehow I do.
All I can see is a man who has spent his life fighting not for fame, not for himself, but for the people. All I can see is a man that from the bottom of his heart wants to make the world a better place. And that moves me.
All I can see is a man who has spent his life fighting not for fame, not for himself, but for the people. All I can see is a man that from the bottom of his heart wants to make the world a better place. And that moves me.
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