US Politics Megathread

[n0el]

it doesn't matter because its not going to be a virtual delegate tie,

[RefluxSemantic]

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If Sanders goes into the convention but a plurality of the delegates, but doesn't get the nomination, then the democratic party is dead.

that's for sure

Would you feel the same way if somebody else went into the convention with a plurality of delegates?

Without a shimmer of doubt.

What if the delegates were aligned like this:

34% Bloomberg
33% Biden
33% Sanders

Bloomberg.
Also rip America.

[fightinfrenchman]

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If Sanders goes into the convention but a plurality of the delegates, but doesn't get the nomination, then the democratic party is dead.

that's for sure

Would you feel the same way if somebody else went into the convention with a plurality of delegates?

Without a shimmer of doubt.

What if the delegates were aligned like this:

34% Bloomberg
33% Biden
33% Sanders

Bloomberg.
Also rip America.

That's just not how the process works though.

[Goodspeed]

How does it work?
I can't really think of a way it could be fair if no one wins >50% tbh. The system is just not well thought out.

[fightinfrenchman]

This seems like not an ideal use of a polling firm's resources.

[gibson]

According to T_D, they are close to flipping California, because the "Silent Majority", loves Trump. Its funny because actually Trump supporters are the vocal minority, while the silent majority favors democrats.

[n0el]

@fightinfrenchman probably part of the survey in a useful primary poll

[wardyb1]

How does it work?
I can't really think of a way it could be fair if no one wins >50% tbh. The system is just not well thought out.

Imagine every primary on the same day and ranked choice voting. Easy fix. But the DNC would never do it.

[wardyb1]

For one thing I do not fully understand, is that we already have medicaid for low income families. I am on it now, and it is better than what services I was getting when my job was paying for it. I believe in having the social services there for people but also not forcing people out of a plan that they like, its anti freedom. I think though if people had more access to it, would want to join. I think the reason why they want it for all is that it would become a high cost dumping ground for the people the private market would find too risky or expensive to insure, and then it would end up costing more and look bad or services go down hill from there. There is no easy fix to this, when we live in a state of such fraud and corruption.

In Australia, we have everyone is covered by our medicare, and then everyone can also purchase private insurance as well if they wish to get fast tracked or go to private hospitals. It is a pretty good system, however has worsened in the last 8 years as the government hasn't supported medicare properly. Honestly it's probably the easiest and smartest transition for you guys to make. Banning private health is too controversial, and everyone is covered no matter what. Would solve most of your problems.

The problem is making new energy sources economically competitive. We cant just get rid of a hundred years of automobiles and energy infrastructure in 4-8 years. I think Sanders green deal was gonna cost something like 28 trillion dollars, and put gas prices through the roof to entice people to buy electric. Developing nations have a better chance of this because they could skip all that initial investment in coal and gas to get to a more sustainable future prior. But there are still environmental cost in the rare metals that may not even be in sufficient supply to make this all happen. Its a tricky situation. Most of the plastic in the ocean is coming from India and the 3rd world that has no infrastructure to recycles or deal with the trash. Unless there is some suppressed technology that can come to light we are pretty much gonna face these problems and watch the world unravel as it transitions into a new age.

You raise some fair points and also some wrong points. New energy sources are very competitive. Without looking up sources, I'm pretty sure solar (not sure about wind, and I'm not sure if it's just Aus because we have lots of sun) is the most cost/energy efficient new power source in new constructions. Once again the cost of the GND is irrelevant as a lot of these things have to be done no matter what. Why not start paying for it early. Energy storage and reliability is an issue at the moment for renewable resources but that is also the point of things like the GND as it forces the market to find solutions quickly. Another thing is that 3rd world countries aren't held to a high enough standard in the Paris Climate Agreements. Maybe the 1 of the few things I agree with Trump on.

offering free college and debt forgiveness of college debt, certainly panders to young voters. The only part that makes it for everyone is that everyone will pay for it. His policies just want the govt to take over everything and make it all better, but that just is rarely the case when it does. I do not want to find taxes increased to pay for someone else's personal education investment. Its a bad investment for the individual as well, to pay a life time of taxes for education when it could be an investment they pay off in years with smart money management.

Well it may be pandering but it also is mostly about economic benefit. The benefit of free college is long term. It improves public college, provides a more educated populous as well as the enormous long term benefit of increased tax dollars gained from more people earning more money so it pays for itself. As for debt forgiveness, currently the enormous debt is a huge burden on the economy and is definitely slowing your economy. In Aus we have what is called "HECS" debt. It is essentially a very low interest rate loan from the government only for university debt, that only gets paid back once the individual earns over a certain amount. It is by no means a good solution when our parents got free university and tell us to shut up and pay up but it seems better than your situation. Also most our costs are capped at uni.

[Amsel_]

Lots of new polls to analyze.



1) This is yet another poll showing Bloomberg ahead in the Florida primary.

2) The polling for those midwestern states seems odd. Demographically speaking, they aren't all that dissimilar. It seems like they'd all have margins within around five points of each other. I suppose this is one of those polls that both sides can use to brag about.

3) Florida is as competitive as ever. My theory is that the state secretly holds an election before the election to decide who wins. Then they tell every registered Floridian who to vote for, and it's done so that the margin is always close. They do it for the attention.

4) Michigan's Senate race is looking competitive. Good news for McConnell. If Trump carries the state, I could see him pulling James over the finish line.

5) That earlier gallup poll which gave Trump a good approval rating wasn't a fluke, outlier.

[wardyb1]

Can someone explain why Florida is the way it is? In the sense that, from an outsider's perspective, their demographics would have them lean more progressive yet it seems it becomes harder and harder for the Dems to win everytime. Is it just a clashing of 2 different groups? I just don't the makeup of the state enough to really understand. Especially if you can win Florida in puts you in such a good spot to win the GE. So help please?

[fightinfrenchman]

Can someone explain why Florida is the way it is? In the sense that, from an outsider's perspective, their demographics would have them lean more progressive yet it seems it becomes harder and harder for the Dems to win everytime. Is it just a clashing of 2 different groups? I just don't the makeup of the state enough to really understand. Especially if you can win Florida in puts you in such a good spot to win the GE. So help please?

Bernie tends to lead with Latinos, but Florida specifically has a large population of people from Cuba because of a law that gave them citizenship if they made it to the US. They are not as receptive to Bernie calling himself a socialist even if he isn't actually one

[wardyb1]

Can someone explain why Florida is the way it is? In the sense that, from an outsider's perspective, their demographics would have them lean more progressive yet it seems it becomes harder and harder for the Dems to win everytime. Is it just a clashing of 2 different groups? I just don't the makeup of the state enough to really understand. Especially if you can win Florida in puts you in such a good spot to win the GE. So help please?

Bernie tends to lead with Latinos, but Florida specifically has a large population of people from Cuba because of a law that gave them citizenship if they made it to the US. They are not as receptive to Bernie calling himself a socialist even if he isn't actually one

And the support for Trump is just the rural areas like most of his support?

[fightinfrenchman]

Partially but there's also a lot of old people in Florida

[Amsel_]

Can someone explain why Florida is the way it is? In the sense that, from an outsider's perspective, their demographics would have them lean more progressive yet it seems it becomes harder and harder for the Dems to win everytime. Is it just a clashing of 2 different groups? I just don't the makeup of the state enough to really understand. Especially if you can win Florida in puts you in such a good spot to win the GE. So help please?

The northern part of the state is Southern, like Alabama;it's very republican (Aside from Tallahassee). Turnout has been rising in these areas, so republicans have been getting better and better in the state. The southern part of the state has a lot of Latinos, and votes mostly for the democrats (aside from the low-population southwestern bits. The central part of the state acts as the tie-breaker with swing counties.

The demographic composition of the state is also rather misleading. A lot of Hispanics in that state are Cubans, Venezuelans, and Puerto Ricans. Cubans vote republican; Puerto Ricans vote democrat, but aren't totally unopen to republicans (IIRC Gov. Scott was only elected to the Senate due to above average support from Puerto Ricans thanks to him helping Puerto Rico after their hurricane); Venezuelans are kind of new to the scene, and it's unclear if they're going to be Cubans 2.0 or not. Mexicans and Central-Americans are much more consistent in turning states blue.

Also there are a ton of retirees to the state, and old people are more conservative. This is arguably the greatest factor in offsetting things like the wave of Puerto Ricans after the hurricane, or felon enfranchisement.

[deleted_user]

Nuke Florida.

[Cometk]

[Amsel_]

3,000 hours in microsoft paint

[fightinfrenchman]

You didn't spent those 3000 hours very effectively imo

[oats13]

Cubans vote republican; Puerto Ricans vote democrat......Venezuelans are kind of new to the scene, and it's unclear if they're going to be Cubans 2.0 or not.

Most Venezuelans won't be voting for any Socialist candidates.

[RefluxSemantic]

Is it me, or does Bloomberg really look like an appropriate final boss for a videogame?

[iNcog]

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[fightinfrenchman]

Is it me, or does Bloomberg really look like an appropriate final boss for a videogame?

He just looks like an old guy in a suit to me

[RefluxSemantic]

Is it me, or does Bloomberg really look like an appropriate final boss for a videogame?

He just looks like an old guy in a suit to me

Whats the difference ☭

[fightinfrenchman]

Most video game final bosses aren't just old guys