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[n0el]

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No, I'm not. How do you get 50 votes in the Senate for Bernie's bill?

Get 50 democratic senators.

Elizabeth Warren is a snake that doesn't actually support M4A and Amy Klobuchar is an evil centrist who wants poor people to die, so you'll need at least 52 now. Also you need an extra one since Bernie will be leaving the Senate

What?

If you think all Democratic senators will support M4A then why is Bernie better than any other senator who ran for president?

He’s not, wArren was fine. She was just somehow worse than Bernie at running a campaign.

[fightinfrenchman]

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No, I'm not. How do you get 50 votes in the Senate for Bernie's bill?

Get 50 democratic senators.

Elizabeth Warren is a snake that doesn't actually support M4A and Amy Klobuchar is an evil centrist who wants poor people to die, so you'll need at least 52 now. Also you need an extra one since Bernie will be leaving the Senate

What?

If you think all Democratic senators will support M4A then why is Bernie better than any other senator who ran for president?

He’s not, wArren was fine. She was just somehow worse than Bernie at running a campaign.

At least she was smart enough to know when to quit

[n0el]

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No, I'm not. How do you get 50 votes in the Senate for Bernie's bill?

Get 50 democratic senators.

Elizabeth Warren is a snake that doesn't actually support M4A and Amy Klobuchar is an evil centrist who wants poor people to die, so you'll need at least 52 now. Also you need an extra one since Bernie will be leaving the Senate

What?

If you think all Democratic senators will support M4A then why is Bernie better than any other senator who ran for president?

He’s not, wArren was fine. She was just somehow worse than Bernie at running a campaign.

At least she was smart enough to know when to quit

Why should Bernie quit?

[fightinfrenchman]

Because he has no realistic path to victory and he's underperforming compared to 2016 and he isn't even driving the turnout he claimed he would

[gibson]

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If you think 50 democrats would vote to pass straight m4a you're delusional. Mabye in 20-30 years. @n0el

If their job is on the line, they absolutely would

Their jobs wont be on the line because as demonstrated by the primary more people still want an establishment shill over a progressive. Probably for at least the next 15 years, although it could be sooner. Certainly not in the next 4 though.

I don’t think that is true right now. They want someone other than trump. They’ve been told that by the establishment and media that Biden is that guy and Bernie can’t win.

Do you have any facts to back this up or are you just assuming because it lines up with what you want to be true?

[n0el]

And? His best chance to influence the platform is to get as many delegates as possible unless Biden comes to him.

[n0el]

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If you think 50 democrats would vote to pass straight m4a you're delusional. Mabye in 20-30 years. @n0el

If their job is on the line, they absolutely would

Their jobs wont be on the line because as demonstrated by the primary more people still want an establishment shill over a progressive. Probably for at least the next 15 years, although it could be sooner. Certainly not in the next 4 though.

I don’t think that is true right now. They want someone other than trump. They’ve been told that by the establishment and media that Biden is that guy and Bernie can’t win.

Do you have any facts to back this up or are you just assuming because it lines up with what you want to be true?

Every exit poll in every state that’s voted.

[fightinfrenchman]

And? His best chance to influence the platform is to get as many delegates as possible unless Biden comes to him.

What's the point of influencing the platform if Joe is a liar who won't keep his promises anyway

[gibson]

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If you think 50 democrats would vote to pass straight m4a you're delusional. Mabye in 20-30 years. @n0el

If their job is on the line, they absolutely would

Their jobs wont be on the line because as demonstrated by the primary more people still want an establishment shill over a progressive. Probably for at least the next 15 years, although it could be sooner. Certainly not in the next 4 though.

I don’t think that is true right now. They want someone other than trump. They’ve been told that by the establishment and media that Biden is that guy and Bernie can’t win.

Do you have any facts to back this up or are you just assuming because it lines up with what you want to be true?

Every exit poll in every state that’s voted.

Can you please spell out what exactly you mean?

[n0el]

And? His best chance to influence the platform is to get as many delegates as possible unless Biden comes to him.

What's the point of influencing the platform if Joe is a liar who won't keep his promises anyway

I don’t know what you mean. I’m not some Twitter fucktard. Every time you say dumb shit like this it makes you sound like you are just 100% a troll.

[n0el]

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If you think 50 democrats would vote to pass straight m4a you're delusional. Mabye in 20-30 years. @n0el

If their job is on the line, they absolutely would

Their jobs wont be on the line because as demonstrated by the primary more people still want an establishment shill over a progressive. Probably for at least the next 15 years, although it could be sooner. Certainly not in the next 4 though.

I don’t think that is true right now. They want someone other than trump. They’ve been told that by the establishment and media that Biden is that guy and Bernie can’t win.

Do you have any facts to back this up or are you just assuming because it lines up with what you want to be true?

Every exit poll in every state that’s voted.

Can you please spell out what exactly you mean?

Exit polling says people overwhelming support bernies policies but choose Biden because they want a candidate that can beat trump.

[fightinfrenchman]

How would Bernie performing worse than he did versus Hillary give him more leverage to influence anything?

[gibson]

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If you think 50 democrats would vote to pass straight m4a you're delusional. Mabye in 20-30 years. @n0el

If their job is on the line, they absolutely would

Their jobs wont be on the line because as demonstrated by the primary more people still want an establishment shill over a progressive. Probably for at least the next 15 years, although it could be sooner. Certainly not in the next 4 though.

I don’t think that is true right now. They want someone other than trump. They’ve been told that by the establishment and media that Biden is that guy and Bernie can’t win.

Do you have any facts to back this up or are you just assuming because it lines up with what you want to be true?

Every exit poll in every state that’s voted.

Can you please spell out what exactly you mean?

Exit polling says people overwhelming support bernies policies but choose Biden because they want a candidate that can beat trump.

So when that gets demonstrated in the voting booth we can talk about m4a.

[wardyb1]

Just to point out that before Trump was president a lot of Republican senators were completely against him and his agenda, but when he won they realised they had to fall in line or he would happily make sure they get primary'd. Check out Lindsay Graham. Flipflopped like nothing else. That is what many progressives suggest would happen if Sanders was elected. Personally I think it less likely to happen with Dems just to the nature of their politics but it doesn't make it an outrageous scenario and to dismiss things as "Where will you get 50 votes" isn't really arguing in the best of faith.

[fightinfrenchman]

Just to point out that before Trump was president a lot of Republican senators were completely against him and his agenda, but when he won they realised they had to fall in line or he would happily make sure they get primary'd. Check out Lindsay Graham. Flipflopped like nothing else. That is what many progressives suggest would happen if Sanders was elected. Personally I think it less likely to happen with Dems just to the nature of their politics but it doesn't make it an outrageous scenario and to dismiss things as "Where will you get 50 votes" isn't really arguing in the best of faith.

It actually is in good faith, because Democrats aren't Republicans. Also, Republicans don't just do whatever Trump is saying he wants. Trump claims he wants a big infrastructure bill but McConnell isn't going to do that because he wants people to suffer. Do you seriously think Joe Manchin is going to become a "Democratic Socialist" if Bernie wins the nomination?

[wardyb1]

Just to point out that before Trump was president a lot of Republican senators were completely against him and his agenda, but when he won they realised they had to fall in line or he would happily make sure they get primary'd. Check out Lindsay Graham. Flipflopped like nothing else. That is what many progressives suggest would happen if Sanders was elected. Personally I think it less likely to happen with Dems just to the nature of their politics but it doesn't make it an outrageous scenario and to dismiss things as "Where will you get 50 votes" isn't really arguing in the best of faith.

It actually is in good faith, because Democrats aren't Republicans. Also, Republicans don't just do whatever Trump is saying he wants. Trump claims he wants a big infrastructure bill but McConnell isn't going to do that because he wants people to suffer. Do you seriously think Joe Manchin is going to become a "Democratic Socialist" if Bernie wins the nomination?

No probably not, but over the next 3 years there is a real possibility that Dems could flip the senate to maybe 53-54 senators. Obviously this is a good case scenario but it is possible if they get their act together. Most likely you have 7-8 iffy senators on M4A. So now you only need to convince 4 senators. That is very doable especially if Bernie is elected on a M4A platform and new senators possibly are too. So now the only holdup is 4 Dem senators and they have the whole Dem base pressuring those 4 senators. I don't think it then becomes a hard sell to win 4 votes of 8 senators in that hypothetical.

[fightinfrenchman]

Just to point out that before Trump was president a lot of Republican senators were completely against him and his agenda, but when he won they realised they had to fall in line or he would happily make sure they get primary'd. Check out Lindsay Graham. Flipflopped like nothing else. That is what many progressives suggest would happen if Sanders was elected. Personally I think it less likely to happen with Dems just to the nature of their politics but it doesn't make it an outrageous scenario and to dismiss things as "Where will you get 50 votes" isn't really arguing in the best of faith.

It actually is in good faith, because Democrats aren't Republicans. Also, Republicans don't just do whatever Trump is saying he wants. Trump claims he wants a big infrastructure bill but McConnell isn't going to do that because he wants people to suffer. Do you seriously think Joe Manchin is going to become a "Democratic Socialist" if Bernie wins the nomination?

Most likely you have 7-8 iffy senators on M4A. So now you only need to convince 4 senators. That is very doable especially if Bernie is elected on a M4A platform and new senators possibly are too. So now the only holdup is 4 Dem senators and they have the whole Dem base pressuring those 4 senators. I don't think it then becomes a hard sell to win 4 votes of 8 senators in that hypothetical.

Who among the people most likely to become new Democratic senators have endorsed Bernie vs. Biden?

[RefluxSemantic]

Damn, gibson and ear getting rekt.

[n0el]

@fightinfrenchman what should the 10 million new unemployed people do for healthcare?

[n0el]

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Just to point out that before Trump was president a lot of Republican senators were completely against him and his agenda, but when he won they realised they had to fall in line or he would happily make sure they get primary'd. Check out Lindsay Graham. Flipflopped like nothing else. That is what many progressives suggest would happen if Sanders was elected. Personally I think it less likely to happen with Dems just to the nature of their politics but it doesn't make it an outrageous scenario and to dismiss things as "Where will you get 50 votes" isn't really arguing in the best of faith.

It actually is in good faith, because Democrats aren't Republicans. Also, Republicans don't just do whatever Trump is saying he wants. Trump claims he wants a big infrastructure bill but McConnell isn't going to do that because he wants people to suffer. Do you seriously think Joe Manchin is going to become a "Democratic Socialist" if Bernie wins the nomination?

Most likely you have 7-8 iffy senators on M4A. So now you only need to convince 4 senators. That is very doable especially if Bernie is elected on a M4A platform and new senators possibly are too. So now the only holdup is 4 Dem senators and they have the whole Dem base pressuring those 4 senators. I don't think it then becomes a hard sell to win 4 votes of 8 senators in that hypothetical.

Who among the people most likely to become new Democratic senators have endorsed Bernie vs. Biden?

What does that have to do with supporting a M4A bill?

[Dolan]

@fightinfrenchman what should the 10 million new unemployed people do for healthcare?

Wait, do unemployed Americans not have a right to get free medical care during a state of emergency?
Even in Romania doctors are not allowed to refuse services to people who are not registered as contributors to the public health system, but only during this Covid19 state of emergency.

[n0el]

free? no one gets free medical care, ever.

[gibson]

@fightinfrenchman what should the 10 million new unemployed people do for healthcare?

Wait, do unemployed Americans not have a right to get free medical care during a state of emergency?
Even in Romania doctors are not allowed to refuse services to people who are not registered as contributors to the public health system, but only during this Covid19 state of emergency.

The emergency room won’t refuse service, but they’ll send you a fat bill for it

[Goodspeed]

It just should've been Pete. Best of both worlds. Biden, knowing full well he's in over his head, should've quit and endorsed him

[n0el]

if only he didn't move to the center, you'd be right