Cometk wrote:@Dolan funny you include that picture of Mack Beggs, who is a transman, only participating in the girls’ league BECAUSE of sex discrimination preventing him from participating in the boys league. Like, defeating your own point
Yeah, it's a different kind of case. It's someone who took a lot of testosterone as part of the transitioning process. There's nothing wrong about her competing with other women.
He wanted to compete in the boys’ division, but was discriminated against and barred from competing there... use your brain please
And, as part of the transitioning process, he took a lot of testosterone. So how does him competing in the women's division disadvantage him? If he took a lot of T, he has an upper hand. If he competed in the boys' division, he'd probably lose. So this situation doesn't really put him at a disadvantage.
Yes, it's a different case that requires a different logic. But the outcome is that he's not at a disadvantage.
Cometk wrote:@Dolan funny you include that picture of Mack Beggs, who is a transman, only participating in the girls’ league BECAUSE of sex discrimination preventing him from participating in the boys league. Like, defeating your own point
Yeah, it's a different kind of case. It's someone who took a lot of testosterone as part of the transitioning process. There's nothing wrong about her competing with other women.
He wanted to compete in the boys’ division, but was discriminated against and barred from competing there... use your brain please
And, as part of the transitioning process, he took a lot of testosterone. So how does him competing in the women's division disadvantage him? If he took a lot of T, he has an upper hand. If he competed in the boys' division, he'd probably lose.
yeah, sure, whatever. So you agree he should’ve been competing in the boys division?
So how does him competing in the women's division disadvantage him?
What? When did I ask this? He should’ve been permitted to the boys division as he wanted to be
Cometk wrote:@Dolan funny you include that picture of Mack Beggs, who is a transman, only participating in the girls’ league BECAUSE of sex discrimination preventing him from participating in the boys league. Like, defeating your own point
Yeah, it's a different kind of case. It's someone who took a lot of testosterone as part of the transitioning process. There's nothing wrong about her competing with other women.
He wanted to compete in the boys’ division, but was discriminated against and barred from competing there... use your brain please
So fix that, instead of making women compete with men.
Cometk wrote:@Dolan funny you include that picture of Mack Beggs, who is a transman, only participating in the girls’ league BECAUSE of sex discrimination preventing him from participating in the boys league. Like, defeating your own point
Yeah, it's a different kind of case. It's someone who took a lot of testosterone as part of the transitioning process. There's nothing wrong about her competing with other women.
He wanted to compete in the boys’ division, but was discriminated against and barred from competing there... use your brain please
So fix that, instead of making women compete with men.
Yeah, that’s exactly what Biden’s legislature allows to be fixed
gibson wrote:You should have to compete with whatever sex you were biologically born as. As shitty as that is for transgender people they probably can’t really compete in traditional sports. Although it’s really not surprising to see Dolan posting boomer screenshots acting like the sky is falling over a relative non issue, as he doesn’t like transgender people due to them “editing his Wikipedia edits”.
Trans men not allowed to participate in men’s sports?
They should I guess, but I don’t don’t see a trans man reaching the same athletic peak as a naturally born man, or even close really. The issue is also consistency. A trans woman obviously shouldn’t compete with women. I guess it’s already kind of like that, a woman could technically play in the nba, nfl, etc just none are good enough to while a man can’t play in the wnba.
HRT changes muscle mass though. But if wrestling can separate people into weight classes to make things fair why can't other sports separate people into i.e. strength classes and then sex is irrelevant. Ultimately the problem imo is that sports like running and weight lifting where skill is not the winning factor aren't really sports, they're exercise. People can train equally, but the person with the right set of phenotypes will have the advantage because it's not about skill. There's a reason Kenyans keep winning the 10k run, is that unfair? The problem is that these 'sports' are inherently unfair because the deciding factor is genetically based and not skill based.
Does anyone actually realize that all the things in movies and video games are coming true? Doesn't it scare the shit out of you? It also means all the disastrous things will likely be true as well.
princeofcarthage wrote:Does anyone actually realize that all the things in movies and video games are coming true? Doesn't it scare the shit out of you? It also means all the disastrous things will likely be true as well.
princeofcarthage wrote:Does anyone actually realize that all the things in movies and video games are coming true? Doesn't it scare the shit out of you? It also means all the disastrous things will likely be true as well.
Is The Model video games and movies
Do you know of any video games or movies where Biden is president and his presidency is a disaster?
princeofcarthage wrote:Does anyone actually realize that all the things in movies and video games are coming true? Doesn't it scare the shit out of you? It also means all the disastrous things will likely be true as well.
Ever watched 2012? It was actually a typo, it's supposed to happen in 2021.
princeofcarthage wrote:Does anyone actually realize that all the things in movies and video games are coming true? Doesn't it scare the shit out of you? It also means all the disastrous things will likely be true as well.
Ever watched 2012? It was actually a typo, it's supposed to happen in 2021.
Humans are predicted to live for at least next 100000 years. So anything is fine, literally. We shall survive!
Jam wrote:The problem is that these 'sports' are inherently unfair because the deciding factor is genetically based and not skill based.
But that's the case for everything determined by genetics which gives someone a competitive social advantage: attractiveness, height, intelligence. No matter how much you implement policies that target equality, social outcomes will always be unequal, just because advantageous traits are not equally distributed.
Snuden wrote:Born as a man = mens sport
Born as a woman = womens sport
I don't see how that can be any different.
No, imo we have the open division and the women's division. I have no problem at all with women competing at the highest level, but unfortunately it turns out that the differences between men and women are way too large for this to happen.
Cometk wrote:@Dolan funny you include that picture of Mack Beggs, who is a transman, only participating in the girls’ league BECAUSE of sex discrimination preventing him from participating in the boys league. Like, defeating your own point
Yeah, it's a different kind of case. It's someone who took a lot of testosterone as part of the transitioning process. There's nothing wrong about her competing with other women.
He wanted to compete in the boys’ division, but was discriminated against and barred from competing there... use your brain please
And, as part of the transitioning process, he took a lot of testosterone. So how does him competing in the women's division disadvantage him? If he took a lot of T, he has an upper hand. If he competed in the boys' division, he'd probably lose.
yeah, sure, whatever. So you agree he should’ve been competing in the boys division?
So how does him competing in the women's division disadvantage him?
What? When did I ask this? He should’ve been permitted to the boys division as he wanted to be
Tbh its a bit of a difficult case. Now that I read this, Im quite sure he was not permitted due to the doping rules.
I think at some point it becomes unreasonable to make society adapt to these people. I personally strongly believe that you should try to carry your own burdens as much as possible, so while some of these cases are really unfortunate I think these transgenders should try to not turn everything into society's problem (and Im sure many dont do this).
Snuden wrote:Born as a man = mens sport
Born as a woman = womens sport
I don't see how that can be any different.
No, imo we have the open division and the women's division. I have no problem at all with women competing at the highest level, but unfortunately it turns out that the differences between men and women are way too large for this to happen.
Yea... They don't even do it in sports or games where physical strength don't play a role afaik.
There is reason to assume that the differences between men and women are more than just a difference in strength and endurance. It seems that general hand eye coordination and motor skills tend to be better developed for men. Its also the case that women for example cant really compete with men at chess (yes, unfortunately the queen's gambit is a rather unrealistic series). Im sure there are things women are better at too.
Life would be easier if there werent two genders, or if there were no differences between the two genders, but unfortunately reality is far more complicated.
“These systems run the risk of reinforcing stereotypes of what you should look like if you want to be recognized as a man or a woman. And that impacts everyone,” said Scheuerman.
The market for facial recognition services is projected to double by 2024, as tech developers work to improve human-robot interaction and more carefully target ads to shoppers.
“They want to figure out what your gender is, so they can sell you something more appropriate for your gender,” explains Scheuerman, pointing to one highly publicized incident of a mall in Canada which used a hidden camera in a kiosk to do this.
Already, Brubaker noted, people engage with facial recognition technology every day to gain access to their smartphones or log into their computers. If it has a tendency to misgender certain populations that are already vulnerable, that could have grave consequences.
For instance, a match-making app could set someone up on a date with the wrong gender, leading to a potentially dangerous situation. Or a mismatch between the gender a facial recognition program sees and the documentation a person carries could lead to problems getting through airport security, said Scheuerman. He is most concerned that such systems reaffirm notions that transgender people don’t fit in.
“People think of computer vision as futuristic, but there are lots of people who could be left out of this so-called future,” he said.
The authors say they’d like to see tech companies move away from gender classification entirely and stick to more specific labels like “long hair” or “make-up” when assessing images.
“When you walk down the street you might look at someone and presume that you know what their gender is, but that is a really quaint idea from the ‘90s and it is not what the world is like anymore,” said Brubaker. “As our vision and our cultural understanding of what gender is has evolved, the algorithms driving our technological future have not. That’s deeply problematic.”
The problem is that people still try to fit into gender stereotypes, which reinforces them and leads to these pressures put on trans to conform. Everyone should just buy non-gendered clothes and identify as "unknown".
Then we'll have true equality.
