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Hyperbole:
Hyperbole is a rhetorical and literary technique where an author or speaker intentionally uses exaggeration and overstatement for emphasis and effect. The word hyperbole is derived from the greek word ‘huperbole’ meaning “to throw above.” When used in rhetoric, it’s also called ‘auxesis’ which comes from the greek word for “growth.” Hyperbole is a common literary device, but use of hyperbole also pops up in everyday storytelling and common figures of speech.
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fightinfrenchman wrote:
is probably the most useless thing
Of course it has some benefits.
Mind changed in 1 post. I foresee a great political future for you @fightinfrenchman
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harcha wrote:
fightinfrenchman wrote:
is probably the most useless thing
Of course it has some benefits.
Mind changed in 1 post. I foresee a great political future for you @fightinfrenchman
Future for @scarm
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wdym "future" Kappa

Anyway, point just was that membership in US parties is far less institutionalized and weaker than in Euro-style-parties (i.e. parties essentially anywhere else). It is very interesting because US parties are so dissimilar to anything else, yet most other parties tend to copy their strategies, esp. regarding public communication and campaigning. Membership is also on the decline in most other parties as a result of an increasing professionalization, which was partially copied from US parties.
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How about this
The United States Constitution is silent on the subject of political parties. The Founding Fathers did not originally intend for American politics to be partisan. In Federalist Papers No. 9 and No. 10, Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, respectively, wrote specifically about the dangers of domestic political factions. In addition, the first President of the United States, George Washington, was not a member of any political party at the time of his election or throughout his tenure as president. Furthermore, he hoped that political parties would not be formed, fearing conflict and stagnation
This is hillarious, considering that one of the big brains behind the current US political sytem, James Madison, argued in the Federalist papers (number 10) that the US should have a republican form of government, to avoid the dangers of democratic factionalism. This is the source of that much quoted idiocy that "the US is not a democracy but a republic", in Madison's paper.
It's hillarious because this is what Madison wrote, but not what he did. Eventually Hamilton and him created the first two parties, which ran against that idea that the US should not be a democracy.
But I bet most Americans who keep spouting this wrong idea are not aware of this.
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scarm wrote: Anyway, point just was that membership in US parties is far less institutionalized and weaker than in Euro-style-parties (i.e. parties essentially anywhere else). It is very interesting because US parties are so dissimilar to anything else, yet most other parties tend to copy their strategies, esp. regarding public communication and campaigning. Membership is also on the decline in most other parties as a result of an increasing professionalization, which was partially copied from US parties.
I never claimed that US parties were particularly strong, I was just soliciting opinions on the PA Senate race lol
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@Dolan I am not sure that Madison specifically meant parties when he wrote that article though. I always read it as more so a warning against the tyranny of the majority in a tocquevillean sense.

Just reread parts of it. He is imo essentially arguing, that factions are not preventable, as preventing them would require to either prescribe every citizen the same opinion or take away the freedom to form factions. As a result, factions must be controlled to prevent the undesirable results they can produce, such as a majority dominating a minority with nothing but the right of the many. His remedy is essentially division of powers, to make sure that no one faction can dominate the others.

@fightinfrenchman i wasn't answering to you, i simply was bringing up an interesting fact that is loosely connected thematically
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scarm wrote:@Dolan I am not sure that Madison specifically meant parties when he wrote that article though. I always read it as more so a warning against the tyranny of the majority in a tocquevillean sense.

Just reread parts of it. He is imo essentially arguing, that factions are not preventable, as preventing them would require to either prescribe every citizen the same opinion or take away the freedom to form factions. As a result, factions must be controlled to prevent the undesirable results they can produce, such as a majority dominating a minority with nothing but the right of the many. His remedy is essentially division of powers, to make sure that no one faction can dominate the others.
He opposed majority parties that could have free reign to do anything they wanted, including abolish certain rights.
But you know why he had this position? Madison realised that if they allowed this, the propertied class, the wealthy class would become a minority and the unpropertied classes would form a majority faction that gained control of the government. They were scared for their land-owning privileges, that's why they claimed they didn't want to see factionalism. And that's also why they didn't want democracy, but they couldn't just say it explicitly. They had to say it in a very indirect and "philosophical" way, to make it look like they spoke in a principled way. 'Avoiding factionalism' was a question of making sure the propertied classes maintained control of government. Eventually they "solved it" by making sure the land-owning elites controlled both parties.
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Theranos Hosts Vice President Biden for Summit on a New Era of Preventive Health Care

The Vice President toured Theranos’ lab and manufacturing facility, met Theranos employees, and discussed future of health care with health industry thought leaders
July 23, 2015 11:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time

NEWARK, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Theranos, Inc. hosted U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, along with thought leaders in the health industry, for a preventive health summit entitled “A New Era of Preventive Health Care.” The conversation focused on the critical role early detection and prevention of disease can play in changing outcomes, reducing costs in our health system, and fueling economic growth. National health care industry leaders addressed the core challenges and associated actions central to creating a preventive health care system. In addition to meeting with health industry thought leaders, Vice President Biden joined Theranos Founder and CEO Elizabeth Holmes on a tour of the company’s Newark, California-based laboratory and manufacturing facility, seeing Theranos’ finger stick test and innovative test system, and meeting many of the company’s employees.
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Vice President Biden, along with industry leaders who participated in the summit, saw firsthand Theranos' laboratory as well as its proprietary systems on which it runs its groundbreaking finger stick blood tests. In addition, the group toured the manufacturing facility where its proprietary systems are manufactured. The FDA recently cleared Theranos’ HSV-1 test as well as the finger stick blood test technology and underlying system on which the test is run, and approved a waiver that paves the way for putting Theranos’ tests in the field at point of care, a major milestone for the company and the national preventive care landscape.
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Vice President Joe Biden:
I just had a short tour and I’m glad because you can see first hand what innovation is all about just walking through this facility…this is the laboratory of the future.
I know the FDA recently completed favorable reviews of your innovative device. The fact that you’re voluntarily submitting all of your tests to the FDA demonstrates your confidence in what you’re doing.


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Talk about being inspired. This is inspiration. It is amazing to me, Elizabeth, what you’ve been able to do.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... ealth-Care

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RIP to everyone associated with her
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Don't get the point of posting this. Biden is no professionial in that field and on paper it looked fantastic and inspirational.
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To be contrarian
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duckzilla wrote:Don't get the point of posting this. Biden is no professionial in that field and on paper it looked fantastic and inspirational.
It shows how easy it is to make a high-profile politician fall for any such scheme. He just blindly believed the claims without even bothering to send an advisor to check if those tests actually existed, what exactly did the FDA approve? Why would you agree to put your high-profile face on such a company, when the health claims were far from proven? Everything was just in preparatory stages, there was no need to do free PR for such a company.

But you know why he did it? Because it served the administration's agenda. It was an event where they could advertise how under their leadership the future of healthcare was taking shape. He just couldn't resist the photo opportunities. This new groundbreaking thing that was making the rounds in the media, so much hype, can't miss associating yourself with it.

But I guess, in the end, it was just a meeting between two confidence tricksters.
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I honestly doubt this is a thing that Biden plans himself. Surely there is an entire team deciding on these sorts of tactics.
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Because Dolan likes to try to make leftists look silly while staying under the guise of being politically neutral. The reality is her company fooled almost everyone for a time(including many famous right wing politicians) and had a multi billion dollar valuation. The reality is unlike what Dolan is trying to convey it would not have been incredibly easy for them to root out the fraud, and in the grand scheme of things this photo op is not relevant to anything other than people with an agenda of trying to make Biden look foolish.
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I share that point of view.
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Wait till Dolan invents stuff out of thin air so that he can be a contrarian
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you keep projecting
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RefluxSemantic wrote:I honestly doubt this is a thing that Biden plans himself. Surely there is an entire team deciding on these sorts of tactics.
Politicians always have the last word on whether something on their agenda gets done or not. A leader is not just an advisors' puppet, that's where the leadership bit comes in, you need to have a bit of political instinct to know whether something looks too good to be true. And anyway, why would a politician ever go to a company to provide free PR services like here. You just don't do that, no matter what. Makes you look like a deluxe lobbyist.
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but the leader that called the shots was Obamah, not Biden.
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Dolan wrote:
RefluxSemantic wrote:I honestly doubt this is a thing that Biden plans himself. Surely there is an entire team deciding on these sorts of tactics.
Politicians always have the last word on whether something on their agenda gets done or not. A leader is not just an advisors' puppet, that's where the leadership bit comes in, you need to have a bit of political instinct to know whether something looks too good to be true. And anyway, why would a politician ever go to a company to provide free PR services like here. You just don't do that, no matter what. Makes you look like a deluxe lobbyist.
I know you love to talk about how you used to work in the government, but the man was a Senator for decades, the VP for 8 years, and is now President. If you think you have a better "political instinct" than him you're not very good at using it
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What's true though is that it is a bit weird and unusual for leading politicians to "feature" companies to that extent.
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fightinfrenchman wrote:
Dolan wrote:
RefluxSemantic wrote:I honestly doubt this is a thing that Biden plans himself. Surely there is an entire team deciding on these sorts of tactics.
Politicians always have the last word on whether something on their agenda gets done or not. A leader is not just an advisors' puppet, that's where the leadership bit comes in, you need to have a bit of political instinct to know whether something looks too good to be true. And anyway, why would a politician ever go to a company to provide free PR services like here. You just don't do that, no matter what. Makes you look like a deluxe lobbyist.
I know you love to talk about how you used to work in the government, but the man was a Senator for decades, the VP for 8 years, and is now President. If you think you have a better "political instinct" than him you're not very good at using it
Then I guess the problem here wasn't misreading the situation and the risks, but more like still going through with it, despite the red flags. It's like someone who knows eating something is bad for them, but can't resist indulging in it. Same for Biden, he couldn't resist scoring that photo op with the new hype in town. I mean legally, there was nothing tying him to that anyway.
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harcha wrote:but the leader that called the shots was Obamah, not Biden.
Very likely, because often VPs are basically handed down some tasks that the president doesn't have time for or doesn't want to attend to.
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princeofcarthage wrote:Wait till Dolan invents stuff out of thin air so that he can be a contrarian
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