US Politics Megathread

[Goodspeed]

ChatGPT has 800 million weekly active users. Even if AI stopped getting any better from here, it's still a huge business opportunity and companies valued higher because of it isn't a bubble. I do agree that the stock market is in a bubble though, it's just not an AI bubble, more of a "people underestimating the massive looming demographic problem" bubble.

I guess you could argue that the market has assumed that AI will solve this problem which would, in a way, make it an AI bubble after all. Then again it actually might solve the problem.

[Dolan]

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/new-updates/ai-is-not-increasing-productivity-or-leading-to-job-losses-finds-a-study/articleshow/121290954.cms

https://www.forbes.com/sites/torconstantino/2024/09/12/77-of-surveyed-employees-say-ai-tools-make-them-less-productive/

Microsoft pulling a Steve Jobs move: "nono you're using it wrong"
https://www.ccn.com/news/technology/microsoft-workers-dont-use-ai-wrong-side-emerging-productivity-gap/

A solution in search of a problem, forced on the workforce, just so corporations can claim: did you know we're now using the Latest Thing, we're so advanced and our productivity will go through the roof. And then it doesn't and they think it's the employees' fault, they need training, they're using it wrong.

[Dolan]

ChatGPT has 800 million weekly active users.

How many of those could be students using it to get their essays insta-generated without doing any work, I wonder

[Goodspeed]

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/new-updates/ai-is-not-increasing-productivity-or-leading-to-job-losses-finds-a-study/articleshow/121290954.cms

https://www.forbes.com/sites/torconstantino/2024/09/12/77-of-surveyed-employees-say-ai-tools-make-them-less-productive/

Microsoft pulling a Steve Jobs move: "nono you're using it wrong"
https://www.ccn.com/news/technology/microsoft-workers-dont-use-ai-wrong-side-emerging-productivity-gap/

A solution in search of a problem, forced on the workforce, just so corporations can claim: did you know we're now using the Latest Thing, we're so advanced and our productivity will go through the roof. And then it doesn't and they think it's the employees' fault, they need training, they're using it wrong.

It makes me and particularly our junior dev more productive. But I use it for private stuff more often. For me it has enhanced, sometimes replaced, Googling things. I imagine most users are more using it for that than for their job.

Regardless, we can complain about the dubious benefits to productivity or whatever else all we want, at the end of the day 800 million weekly users represents a huge business opportunity. Facebook didn't make us more productive either, in fact it was probably a net negative for society. That doesn't stop it from being one of the most valuable companies in the world.

[harcha]

I also use it mostly as a googling replacement because search has went to the shitter while ai seems to have made search better specifically.

Then agian i also haven't experimented with other search engines than google, so i'm just lazy

[iNcog]

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/new-updates/ai-is-not-increasing-productivity-or-leading-to-job-losses-finds-a-study/articleshow/121290954.cms

https://www.forbes.com/sites/torconstantino/2024/09/12/77-of-surveyed-employees-say-ai-tools-make-them-less-productive/

Microsoft pulling a Steve Jobs move: "nono you're using it wrong"
https://www.ccn.com/news/technology/microsoft-workers-dont-use-ai-wrong-side-emerging-productivity-gap/

A solution in search of a problem, forced on the workforce, just so corporations can claim: did you know we're now using the Latest Thing, we're so advanced and our productivity will go through the roof. And then it doesn't and they think it's the employees' fault, they need training, they're using it wrong.

It makes me and particularly our junior dev more productive. But I use it for private stuff more often. For me it has enhanced, sometimes replaced, Googling things. I imagine most users are more using it for that than for their job.

Regardless, we can complain about the dubious benefits to productivity or whatever else all we want, at the end of the day 800 million weekly users represents a huge business opportunity. Facebook didn't make us more productive either, in fact it was probably a net negative for society. That doesn't stop it from being one of the most valuable companies in the world.

I think the way to understand this is that AI is making **you** more productive, but it still can't do your job without you. Half the problem when it comes to problem solving is properly articulating the problem.

I think chat GPT is a fantastic tool. It's like a you have 10k books and you're free to ask the book questions. It's amazing. but it's not some stupid holy grail like they think it is.

[RefluxSemantic]

My consistent conclusion is that AI quality is 80% of mine in areas where I have a medium/low amount of skill, and much lower when it comes to my profession. That being said, it's just easier to let a machine solve your problems than to use your own noggin. And it's particularly adept at software, where the quality of the output is closer to 90-95% of what I can do.

[Dolan]

AI is a boilerplate generator.

[Cometk]

The voice of American capital is speaking: it does not want to disconnect from the Chinese market or the productive capabilities of China.
This kind of politics of attempted economic warfare is DOA.

https://www.scmp.com/economy/global-eco ... e=homepage

[Cometk]

and as far as the American Saber-Rattling goes, the rare-earth stuffs makes that sooooo comical lmao

[Dolan]

One side effect of Trump's tariffs on Europe: steel produced here would become more expensive, thus driving up imports of Chinese steel.
Making China gain more market share in Europe. And making lots of sectors in the USA that imported Euro steel either bump up prices for consumers or import from China. 4d chess.

[Dolan]

[Sensei]

We have no choice now. We have to let the illegal immigrants stay in our country and abolish ICE. If we don't people will mostly peacefully protest by burning cars, destroying property and looting. This never would've happened if Trump didn't tell ICE to do there job and deport illegals. Then he escalated everything by illegally calling in the national guard and parts of the military to defend government properties against the non violent protesters. Unbelievable!

[Cometk]

We have no choice now. We have to let men with no IDs and unmarked cars kidnap 1st graders out of schools, to secure the existence of our people and a future for white children

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/nx-s1-5361232
https://thehill.com/homenews/education/ ... crackdown/

[Sensei]

That's a good point if illegal immigrants have children then they just have to be allowed to stay as well.

[Dolan]

I thought the USA wouldn't split at some point, but now I'm not so sure it won't.
It's just that (as I previously blablablah'd) there's no political solution anymore, just both sides taking turns spiting the other while in power.
The country will become ungovernable, at this rate.
Maybe you'd be better off turning into some kind of EU thing, ie a loose confederation of states linked through a customs union and a common economic area, but each state would remain sovereign and elect its own president, run its own fiscal policy, have its own constitution, etc.

Reverting to the pre-union state and renegotiating a confederation that wouldn't have a federal government, but a US Commission that would manage just a few things in common: currency, army, harmonised economic rules and standards for a common market. The rest would be up to each state: immigration, border policy, education, employment policies. That implies a less optimal common market than in the EU, because I imagine diverging border and immigration policies couldn't allow for free movement between states.

[harcha]

We have no choice now. We have to let the illegal immigrants stay in our country and abolish ICE. If we don't people will mostly peacefully protest by burning cars, destroying property and looting. This never would've happened if Trump didn't tell ICE to do there job and deport illegals. Then he escalated everything by illegally calling in the national guard and parts of the military to defend government properties against the non violent protesters. Unbelievable!

I don't get the whining. Your guy is in charge. Man up

[Sensei]

We have no choice now. We have to let the illegal immigrants stay in our country and abolish ICE. If we don't people will mostly peacefully protest by burning cars, destroying property and looting. This never would've happened if Trump didn't tell ICE to do there job and deport illegals. Then he escalated everything by illegally calling in the national guard and parts of the military to defend government properties against the non violent protesters. Unbelievable!

I don't get the whining. Your guy is in charge. Man up

You are right Gavin Newsom's been running California for almost 6 years now so I don't know why they are rioting and complaining so much.

[minimoult21]

I went to fact check how long Gavin Newsome has been governor of California and got this article. That’s enough American politics for one day

[iNcog]

The violence was instigated by the administration and is actively cheered on by maga conservatives as demonstrated in this thread. They see disrespect towards their king as disrespectful to them.

It's absurd how easy it is to just slurp up a fox news narrative. I am glad we are enjoying the illegal kidnappings and blatant disregard for constitutional law.

[Cometk]

[iNcog]

https://apnews.com/article/minnesota-la ... b1a98cd172

Insane what MAGA will do. They're outright gunning down democrats now. Deplorable

[harcha]

[Cometk]

the american people yearn for WW3

[harcha]

the american people yearn for WW3

I wonder how that same subsection of voters would poll if Harris won 2024