UK general election thread

[Horsemen]

Adds a veneer of sophistication where there is none

[Dolan]

Who thinks these 100+ page manifestos are a good idea.

They're not really meant to be read by the general public. They're more like something that needs to be there, in case their opponents say: But you don't have any clear plan for X issue.
So they're meant to project the image that a certain party has a coherent platform, a general plan that addresses every major issue.
Every major serious party needs to have such a booklet, which can also demonstrate that you have enough experts and specialists in the party that are capable of articulating relevant policy.

But yeah, having or not having such a manifesto doesn't really have much of an impact on how popular a party is or how many votes it gets.

[thomasgreen6]

Who thinks these 100+ page manifestos are a good idea.

Tbf mate I always read all 5 of them

[fightinfrenchman]

Who thinks these 100+ page manifestos are a good idea.

Tbf mate I always read all 5 of them

Nerd

[thomasgreen6]

Who thinks these 100+ page manifestos are a good idea.

They're not really meant to be read by the general public. They're more like something that needs to be there, in case their opponents say: But you don't have any clear plan for X issue.
So they're meant to project the image that a certain party has a coherent platform, a general plan that addresses every major issue.
Every major serious party needs to have such a booklet, which can also demonstrate that you have enough experts and specialists in the party that are capable of articulating relevant policy.

But yeah, having or not having such a manifesto doesn't really have much of an impact on how popular a party is or how many votes it gets.

I disagree, I think the manifestos set out the parties policies and plans for government and often have a big impact

[thomasgreen6]

Who thinks these 100+ page manifestos are a good idea.

Tbf mate I always read all 5 of them

Nerd

At least I can read

[fightinfrenchman]

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Who thinks these 100+ page manifestos are a good idea.

Tbf mate I always read all 5 of them

Nerd

At least I can read

I can listen

[Dolan]

Who thinks these 100+ page manifestos are a good idea.

They're not really meant to be read by the general public. They're more like something that needs to be there, in case their opponents say: But you don't have any clear plan for X issue.
So they're meant to project the image that a certain party has a coherent platform, a general plan that addresses every major issue.
Every major serious party needs to have such a booklet, which can also demonstrate that you have enough experts and specialists in the party that are capable of articulating relevant policy.

But yeah, having or not having such a manifesto doesn't really have much of an impact on how popular a party is or how many votes it gets.

I disagree, I think the manifestos set out the parties policies and plans for government and often have a big impact

You could explain your policies in less than a few hundred pages, though. I wasn't arguing that parties aren't voted on policies at all, just that almost nobody reads these hundred-pages-long manifestoes.

[fightinfrenchman]

What the fuck?

[Dolan]

>he doesn't know about Corbyn's and Labour's record on supporting Palestine against Israel

Let's just say Corbyn and lots of people in leftwing European parties don't like Israel and are big supporters of Palestine's fight for its own state.
Obviously if you support anything that runs against the interests of the influential Jewish diaspora, you must be an anti-Semite.

But then Corbyn is also known to have supported even shady terror groups, like those from Northern Ireland.

[fightinfrenchman]

>he doesn't know about Corbyn's and Labour's record on supporting Palestine against Israel

Let's just say Corbyn and lots of people in leftwing European parties don't like Israel and are big supporters of Palestine's fight for its own state.
Obviously if you support anything that runs against the interests of the influential Jewish diaspora, you must be an anti-Semite.

But then Corbyn is also known to have supported even shady terror groups, like those from Northern Ireland.

What?

[Dolan]

What what (in da butt).

[Dolan]

@Horsemen You gon' luv this:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 12006.html

Jeremy Corbyn declared war on the “rich and powerful” with a general election manifesto that raises £83bn in new taxes on corporations and the wealthy to fund free broadband, the abolition of university tuition fees and a 5 per cent pay rise for public-sector workers.

He said Labour’s programme would bring an end to a system “rigged” in favour of big corporations and the super-rich.

Damn, I'm gonna need a lot of popcorn during the next UK GEs.

[Mr_Bramboy]

Corbyn has opened the offensive against millionaires and big companies in the UK. Obviously he must be an anti-Semite. Russian propaganda also plays a key role here.

[Goodspeed]

Who thinks these 100+ page manifestos are a good idea.

They're not really meant to be read by the general public. They're more like something that needs to be there, in case their opponents say: But you don't have any clear plan for X issue.
So they're meant to project the image that a certain party has a coherent platform, a general plan that addresses every major issue.
Every major serious party needs to have such a booklet, which can also demonstrate that you have enough experts and specialists in the party that are capable of articulating relevant policy.

But yeah, having or not having such a manifesto doesn't really have much of an impact on how popular a party is or how many votes it gets.

They're also meant to be read by journalists and reported on.

[thomasgreen6]

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Who thinks these 100+ page manifestos are a good idea.

Tbf mate I always read all 5 of them

Nerd

At least I can read

I can listen

#Modtheear?

[thomasgreen6]

>he doesn't know about Corbyn's and Labour's record on supporting Palestine against Israel

Let's just say Corbyn and lots of people in leftwing European parties don't like Israel and are big supporters of Palestine's fight for its own state.
Obviously if you support anything that runs against the interests of the influential Jewish diaspora, you must be an anti-Semite.

But then Corbyn is also known to have supported even shady terror groups, like those from Northern Ireland.

That's true although there are elements of the labour party that are genuinely anti sematic and need to be got rid of. Corbyn himself however is not and anti-semite I don't believe. He's also never supported terror groups from Northern Ireland bur proposed bringing them on board for peace talks and debate which is slightly different

[Dolan]

Well, his political adversaries claimed that, by doing that, Corbyn was legitimising those terror groups, giving them political credibility.

[Horsemen]

@Horsemen You gon' luv this:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 12006.html

Jeremy Corbyn declared war on the “rich and powerful” with a general election manifesto that raises £83bn in new taxes on corporations and the wealthy to fund free broadband, the abolition of university tuition fees and a 5 per cent pay rise for public-sector workers.

He said Labour’s programme would bring an end to a system “rigged” in favour of big corporations and the super-rich.

Damn, I'm gonna need a lot of popcorn during the next UK GEs.

This is institutionalised theft

[Dolan]

I think they would argue those money weren't produced by the rich in the first place. They were stolen from their rightful owners, the people who actually produce stuff and are being exploited by being underpaid for their work.

[lejend]

Everybody wants equal redistribution of profits but nobody seems to want equal redistribution of risk, investment and self-sacrifice.

[Dolan]

How much risk and self-sacrifice did the "too big too fail" financial companies take when they got rescued with public money?
Also what risk, where did those money even come from? Did the rich produce any tangible assets on their own, ever? Paper pushing and "consultancy" is not real work. Try eating consultancy, paper pushing, risk and self-sacrifice and see how long you can survive on that.

[Horsemen]

How much risk and self-sacrifice did the "too big too fail" financial companies take when they got rescued with public money?
Also what risk, where did those money even come from? Did the rich produce any tangible assets on their own, ever? Paper pushing and "consultancy" is not real work. Try eating consultancy, paper pushing, risk and self-sacrifice and see how long you can survive on that.

Agreed, let's tax the shit out of the middle classes (since that's effectively who Labour's tax proposals will affect since the top 5% begins at ~£80,000 i.e. the income of the main breadwinner of a middle class family in the South East, and since the rich people who earn and own millions will simply become domiciled in Monaco or the Isle of Man and so will completely avoid the brunt of the tax increases) and turn everyone out into the fields so they can do 'real work' like digging ditches and sweeping leaves. Maybe then we will finally turn into a Socialist paradise like Romania, a country so great that it's net inward migration numbers into the hundreds of thousands per year.

[Dolan]

Who says they will tax income and not capital gains? I agree that the rich are likely to leave if Corbyn gets elected, some of them have already done so even without this happening.

Cmon, it's like not like paper assets are keeping the UK economy afloat. It's the work that produces real tangible assets, real services, that makes things happen in the economy. Why should a paper pushing "financial consultant" be paid more than a programmer who actually makes it possible for you to use a computer, a phone or a fridge? Do you think programming is easier work than looking at some papers and saying "hurr, your portfolio is not diversified enough" or "you should buy more properties because they're underpriced"? I'm not saying that financial consultancy is completely worthless, but it's doubtful it actually produces much real value in the economy and it surely has done a lot of damage in the past, considering the string of financial failures we've seen so far.

Romania is not socialist, it hasn't been so for 30 years. Having large inward migration levels is not exactly a point of pride. Especially when you have a stabbing epidemic right in middle of your capital. At least when I get out in Romania, I know I'm not gonna get stabbed or allahu-akhbar'd in a public space. I mean, look at this lad:



Why would you go out on the streets with a knife on you? Is London under siege, is it a jungle or why would you do that?

[Horsemen]

Who says they will tax income and not capital gains? I agree that the rich are likely to leave if Corbyn gets elected, some of them have already done so even without this happening.

Cmon, it's like not like paper assets are keeping the UK economy afloat. It's the work that produces real tangible assets, real services, that makes things happen in the economy. Why should a paper pushing "financial consultant" be paid more than a programmer who actually makes it possible for you to use a computer, a phone or a fridge? Do you think programming is easier work than looking at some papers and saying "hurr, your portfolio is not diversified enough" or "you should buy more properties because they're underpriced"? I'm not saying that financial consultancy is completely worthless, but it's doubtful it actually produces much real value in the economy and it surely has done a lot of damage in the past, considering the string of financial failures we've seen so far.

Romania is not socialist, it hasn't been so for 30 years. Having large inward migration levels is not exactly a point of pride. Especially when you have a stabbing epidemic right in middle of your capital. At least when I get out in Romania, I know I'm not gonna get stabbed or allahu-akhbar'd in a public space. I mean, look at this lad:



Why would you go out on the streets with a knife on you? Is London under siege, is it a jungle or why would you do that?

Yeah, what we are missing is invaluable 'tech' jobs so that social media platforms can keep us hooked to our smartphones and continue exploiting our data. A country is not truly developed until it has a thriving 'start-up' economy designing useless smartphone apps.

Immigration is great when it's focused on high-skilled workers.