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Who would /will you vote for in the UK general election on December 12th 2019

Conservative
5
31%
Labour
7
44%
Liberal Democrat
1
6%
Green party
1
6%
SNP
1
6%
Brexit Party
0
No votes
Ukip (lol really?)
1
6%
Independent candidate
0
No votes
Other
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 16

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thomasgreen6 wrote:
fightinfrenchman wrote:If you honestly believe that the entire mainstream media is engaged in a conspiracy to hurt a specific candidate you like, you should support someone who isn't the target of a vast conspiracy, right?
I mean tbf have you seen some of the British media?
Yes and I am shocked that left-wing outlets like the Guardian are taken seriously
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left wing-right wing argumentation lel
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Guardian left wing lmao
mad cuz bad
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n0el wrote:Guardian left wing lmao
They support Labour so yes, left wing
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The Socialist/Communist hard left pretty much defeated in the UK. I'm curious to see whether this will translate over to the US too and we'll see Sanders and AOC fade into oblivion.
Americans have an even lower interest in this sort of far-left ideas than Europeans.
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The plot thickens:



I dunno what this guy is about, but he seems pissed off that Sanders and AOC backed Corbyn, despite Corbyn being seen as a rabid anti-Semite. Maybe UK election results will have some kind of blowback effect on US politics.
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Horsemen wrote:
n0el wrote:Guardian left wing lmao
They support Labour so yes, left wing
The Guardian are not left wing lmao. Left leaning maybe but not left wing
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thomasgreen6 wrote:
Horsemen wrote:
n0el wrote:Guardian left wing lmao
They support Labour so yes, left wing
The Guardian are not left wing lmao. Left leaning maybe but not left wing
OK, leftie
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One thing to mention is that the UK's way of distributing votes and appointing seats is absolutely terrible. It is truly a parody of democracy. As a comparison, here's what the Dutch parliamentary elections would've looked like using the Common Law method compared to the Dutch method.
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Wow I knew it was bad but...
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The SNP is testament to how bad it is.
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Horsemen wrote:
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The Guardian are not left wing lmao. Left leaning maybe but not left wing
OK, leftie
Good quality reply. Really accentuated you're well argued point :D
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Brits have a first-past-the-post system, also called "winner takes it all". It's not necessarily better or worse than other systems, it's a system that has its advantages and its drawbacks.

+ It favours big parties with strong territorial presence across the whole country.
+ It simplifies the structure of parliament
+ It leads to stabler single-party or two-party coalition governments
+ It streamlines decision-making, since laws and decisions don't have to be the result of a long negotiation process within a broad governing coalition

- It oversimplifies the political spectrum, shutting down any small parties or independents
- It discourages political change, since it's very hard to try and take on the major parties, on every level (funding, organisation, territorial coverage)
- If voters are disappointed that their views are not represented by the major parties, it can lead to lower political participation

But then, representative systems also have their advantages and drawbacks. Even though they represent political choices more accurately, they tend to lead to a massive fragmentation of the political spectrum and, in the worst case, decisional blockage, since there are simply too many parties involved in a coalition and everyone can block the others' initiatives. Broad coalition governments tend to be less stable overall, compared to FPTP voting systems, but that may vary depending on political culture (for example, coalition governments have been overall quite stable in Germany).
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hmm. many "would have been labor voters" hold their nose, and voted for Conservatives, just to "get Brexit done"
ez as that, and you do not have to make it complicated
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Many Labour leaders or members seem to blame Corbyn for being an ineffective leader these days.
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Dolan wrote:Many Labour leaders or members seem to blame Corbyn for being an ineffective leader these days.
that is understandable, Corbyn wanted to leave, but his party was divided. So he was left in the middle, and getting squashed I guess
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iwillspankyou wrote:
Dolan wrote:Many Labour leaders or members seem to blame Corbyn for being an ineffective leader these days.
that is understandable, Corbyn wanted to leave, but his party was divided. So he was left in the middle, and getting squashed I guess
He also sucked and should have quit years ago
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fightinfrenchman wrote:
iwillspankyou wrote:
Dolan wrote:Many Labour leaders or members seem to blame Corbyn for being an ineffective leader these days.
that is understandable, Corbyn wanted to leave, but his party was divided. So he was left in the middle, and getting squashed I guess
He also sucked and should have quit years ago
Corbyn will be back. Trust me!
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:hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
mad cuz bad
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-Lower House that gives seats based on popular vote
-Upper House that gives seats based on winning elections in certain districts
-President chosen by popular vote

Which countries match this description? The silliness of the UK Government's structure got me thinking. :hmm:
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iwillspankyou wrote:
fightinfrenchman wrote:
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He also sucked and should have quit years ago
Corbyn will be back. Trust me!
Corbyn said he will resign next year: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jeremy-c ... cba181db47

He led his party to one of the worst election defeats for Labour since 1935, I don't see how could anyone come back from this. In fact, his leadership period will be remembered as one of the worst Labour ever had, since they failed to win any elections.
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Dolan wrote:
iwillspankyou wrote:
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Corbyn will be back. Trust me!
Corbyn said he will resign next year: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jeremy-c ... cba181db47
Sounds like a mild case of Corbyn derangment syndrome tbh
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fightinfrenchman wrote:
Dolan wrote:Corbyn said he will resign next year: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jeremy-c ... cba181db47
Sounds like a mild case of Corbyn derangment syndrome tbh
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Dolan wrote:
fightinfrenchman wrote:
Dolan wrote:Corbyn said he will resign next year: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jeremy-c ... cba181db47
Sounds like a mild case of Corbyn derangment syndrome tbh
Sounds like your spamming addiction has come back. Don't worry, we know what we're doing, we can fix it.
I swear on my life, I really thought that SDS (Spamming Derangment Syndrome) had been cured by now
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n0el wrote:

:hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
Proof that the UK political system is a model for others to follow

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