Yes and I am shocked that left-wing outlets like the Guardian are taken seriouslythomasgreen6 wrote:I mean tbf have you seen some of the British media?fightinfrenchman wrote:If you honestly believe that the entire mainstream media is engaged in a conspiracy to hurt a specific candidate you like, you should support someone who isn't the target of a vast conspiracy, right?
UK general election thread
Re: UK general election thread
Re: UK general election thread
left wing-right wing argumentation lel
Re: UK general election thread
They support Labour so yes, left wingn0el wrote:Guardian left wing lmao
Re: UK general election thread
The Socialist/Communist hard left pretty much defeated in the UK. I'm curious to see whether this will translate over to the US too and we'll see Sanders and AOC fade into oblivion.
Americans have an even lower interest in this sort of far-left ideas than Europeans.
Americans have an even lower interest in this sort of far-left ideas than Europeans.
Re: UK general election thread
The plot thickens:
I dunno what this guy is about, but he seems pissed off that Sanders and AOC backed Corbyn, despite Corbyn being seen as a rabid anti-Semite. Maybe UK election results will have some kind of blowback effect on US politics.
I dunno what this guy is about, but he seems pissed off that Sanders and AOC backed Corbyn, despite Corbyn being seen as a rabid anti-Semite. Maybe UK election results will have some kind of blowback effect on US politics.
- thomasgreen6
- Lancer
- Posts: 548
- Joined: Jun 24, 2015
- ESO: Thomasgreen6
- Location: UK
Re: UK general election thread
The Guardian are not left wing lmao. Left leaning maybe but not left wingHorsemen wrote:They support Labour so yes, left wingn0el wrote:Guardian left wing lmao
Re: UK general election thread
OK, leftiethomasgreen6 wrote:The Guardian are not left wing lmao. Left leaning maybe but not left wingHorsemen wrote:They support Labour so yes, left wingn0el wrote:Guardian left wing lmao
- Mr_Bramboy
- Retired Contributor
- Posts: 8219
- Joined: Feb 26, 2015
- ESO: [VOC] Bram
- Location: Amsterdam
Re: UK general election thread
One thing to mention is that the UK's way of distributing votes and appointing seats is absolutely terrible. It is truly a parody of democracy. As a comparison, here's what the Dutch parliamentary elections would've looked like using the Common Law method compared to the Dutch method.
Image
Re: UK general election thread
Wow I knew it was bad but...
- thomasgreen6
- Lancer
- Posts: 548
- Joined: Jun 24, 2015
- ESO: Thomasgreen6
- Location: UK
Re: UK general election thread
Good quality reply. Really accentuated you're well argued pointHorsemen wrote:OK, leftiethomasgreen6 wrote:The Guardian are not left wing lmao. Left leaning maybe but not left wingShow hidden quotes
Re: UK general election thread
Brits have a first-past-the-post system, also called "winner takes it all". It's not necessarily better or worse than other systems, it's a system that has its advantages and its drawbacks.
+ It favours big parties with strong territorial presence across the whole country.
+ It simplifies the structure of parliament
+ It leads to stabler single-party or two-party coalition governments
+ It streamlines decision-making, since laws and decisions don't have to be the result of a long negotiation process within a broad governing coalition
- It oversimplifies the political spectrum, shutting down any small parties or independents
- It discourages political change, since it's very hard to try and take on the major parties, on every level (funding, organisation, territorial coverage)
- If voters are disappointed that their views are not represented by the major parties, it can lead to lower political participation
But then, representative systems also have their advantages and drawbacks. Even though they represent political choices more accurately, they tend to lead to a massive fragmentation of the political spectrum and, in the worst case, decisional blockage, since there are simply too many parties involved in a coalition and everyone can block the others' initiatives. Broad coalition governments tend to be less stable overall, compared to FPTP voting systems, but that may vary depending on political culture (for example, coalition governments have been overall quite stable in Germany).
+ It favours big parties with strong territorial presence across the whole country.
+ It simplifies the structure of parliament
+ It leads to stabler single-party or two-party coalition governments
+ It streamlines decision-making, since laws and decisions don't have to be the result of a long negotiation process within a broad governing coalition
- It oversimplifies the political spectrum, shutting down any small parties or independents
- It discourages political change, since it's very hard to try and take on the major parties, on every level (funding, organisation, territorial coverage)
- If voters are disappointed that their views are not represented by the major parties, it can lead to lower political participation
But then, representative systems also have their advantages and drawbacks. Even though they represent political choices more accurately, they tend to lead to a massive fragmentation of the political spectrum and, in the worst case, decisional blockage, since there are simply too many parties involved in a coalition and everyone can block the others' initiatives. Broad coalition governments tend to be less stable overall, compared to FPTP voting systems, but that may vary depending on political culture (for example, coalition governments have been overall quite stable in Germany).
- spanky4ever
- Gendarme
- Posts: 8389
- Joined: Apr 13, 2015
Re: UK general election thread
hmm. many "would have been labor voters" hold their nose, and voted for Conservatives, just to "get Brexit done"
ez as that, and you do not have to make it complicated
ez as that, and you do not have to make it complicated
Hippocrits are the worst of animals. I love elifants.
Re: UK general election thread
Many Labour leaders or members seem to blame Corbyn for being an ineffective leader these days.
- spanky4ever
- Gendarme
- Posts: 8389
- Joined: Apr 13, 2015
Re: UK general election thread
that is understandable, Corbyn wanted to leave, but his party was divided. So he was left in the middle, and getting squashed I guessDolan wrote:Many Labour leaders or members seem to blame Corbyn for being an ineffective leader these days.
Hippocrits are the worst of animals. I love elifants.
- fightinfrenchman
- Ninja
- Posts: 23505
- Joined: Oct 17, 2015
- Location: Pennsylvania
Re: UK general election thread
He also sucked and should have quit years agoiwillspankyou wrote:that is understandable, Corbyn wanted to leave, but his party was divided. So he was left in the middle, and getting squashed I guessDolan wrote:Many Labour leaders or members seem to blame Corbyn for being an ineffective leader these days.
Dromedary Scone Mix is not Alone Mix
- spanky4ever
- Gendarme
- Posts: 8389
- Joined: Apr 13, 2015
Re: UK general election thread
Corbyn will be back. Trust me!fightinfrenchman wrote:He also sucked and should have quit years agoiwillspankyou wrote:that is understandable, Corbyn wanted to leave, but his party was divided. So he was left in the middle, and getting squashed I guessDolan wrote:Many Labour leaders or members seem to blame Corbyn for being an ineffective leader these days.
Hippocrits are the worst of animals. I love elifants.
Re: UK general election thread
-Lower House that gives seats based on popular vote
-Upper House that gives seats based on winning elections in certain districts
-President chosen by popular vote
Which countries match this description? The silliness of the UK Government's structure got me thinking.
-Upper House that gives seats based on winning elections in certain districts
-President chosen by popular vote
Which countries match this description? The silliness of the UK Government's structure got me thinking.
Re: UK general election thread
Corbyn said he will resign next year: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jeremy-c ... cba181db47iwillspankyou wrote:Corbyn will be back. Trust me!fightinfrenchman wrote:He also sucked and should have quit years agoShow hidden quotes
He led his party to one of the worst election defeats for Labour since 1935, I don't see how could anyone come back from this. In fact, his leadership period will be remembered as one of the worst Labour ever had, since they failed to win any elections.
- fightinfrenchman
- Ninja
- Posts: 23505
- Joined: Oct 17, 2015
- Location: Pennsylvania
Re: UK general election thread
Sounds like a mild case of Corbyn derangment syndrome tbhDolan wrote:Corbyn said he will resign next year: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jeremy-c ... cba181db47iwillspankyou wrote:Corbyn will be back. Trust me!Show hidden quotes
Dromedary Scone Mix is not Alone Mix
Re: UK general election thread
Sounds like your spamming addiction has come back. Don't worry, we know what we're doing, we can fix it.fightinfrenchman wrote:Sounds like a mild case of Corbyn derangment syndrome tbhDolan wrote:Corbyn said he will resign next year: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jeremy-c ... cba181db47
- fightinfrenchman
- Ninja
- Posts: 23505
- Joined: Oct 17, 2015
- Location: Pennsylvania
Re: UK general election thread
I swear on my life, I really thought that SDS (Spamming Derangment Syndrome) had been cured by nowDolan wrote:Sounds like your spamming addiction has come back. Don't worry, we know what we're doing, we can fix it.fightinfrenchman wrote:Sounds like a mild case of Corbyn derangment syndrome tbhDolan wrote:Corbyn said he will resign next year: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jeremy-c ... cba181db47
Dromedary Scone Mix is not Alone Mix
Re: UK general election thread
Proof that the UK political system is a model for others to follown0el wrote:
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests