Zwarte Piet Discussion Thread

[Mr_Bramboy]

Annual Zwarte Pieten Discussion Thread. Is Zwarte Piet racist? Tagging prominent posters @fightinfrenchman @evilcheadar @Riotcoke @Challenger_Marco

Happy Sinterklaas!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 05606.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... -character
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-neth ... SKBN1XQ0CY

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[MCJim]

Bram was this really needed? :(

[Riotcoke]

Im a prominent poster :)

[Horsemen]

why am i arent a prominent poster

[RefluxSemantic]

In no way is Zwarte Piet racist. The battle against Zwarte Piet is basically a symbolic battle, depicting the actual present racism in society. People shouldn't be upset about zwarte piet, they should be upset about things like having worse job prospects and getting picked out by the police more often. Instead, they have decided to be upset about zwarte piet. This just drives racism. It's a stupid move.

Also, I'm totally against the notion of people claiming it should be changed just because it upsets people. That's not a sustainable way to act.

[Mr_Bramboy]

Kim K has spoken!

[kami_ryu]

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[Riotcoke]

Good thing you can't ignore staff :)

[Ashvin]

Considering the current situation, I wish you could

[kami_ryu]

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[Dolan]

[fightinfrenchman]

Good thing you can't ignore staff :)

it's not like you're spamming nonsense on the forums

Nothing wrong with a healthy dose of nonsense

[tedere12]

I feel like we've talked about this already

[Mr_Bramboy]

I feel like we've talked about this already

That's why it's annual.

[fightinfrenchman]

I feel like we've talked about this already

Yes complaining about staff members is a time-honored tradition around here

[tedere12]

I feel like we've talked about this already

That's why it's annual.

my bad I only read the title

[Amsel_]

Nah. Blackface isn't racist.



I'm planning on doing this next Halloween. If someone tries calling me racist, I'll just refer them to posts on ESOC saying it's not racist.

[Jam]

If blackface is racist, are drag queens sexist?

[lejend]

Jesus Christ, Europe, wtf

[Horsemen]

I believe that we should respect people’s culture. The Dutch should be allowed to continue this tradition because it is a core part of their national identity. To stop this tradition would be to oppress their culture.

[Mr_Bramboy]

[kami_ryu]

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[Riotcoke]

It's not Racist though, it's about a chimney sweep, it's not directly correlated to skin colour at all. You're just assuming it's racist because that's what society tells you blackface is, even though it's symbolizing something completely different.

[fightinfrenchman]

What if society told you it isn't racist

[Dolan]

So what if it's racist



Let people think whatever they want to think. If you want to prove them wrong, use arguments, not bullshit labels like "racist", "sexist", as if that's an argument in itself. This general offense-taking mentality has created an atmosphere policed by finger-pointing tattletales and whiners.