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Djigit wrote:Thoughts on UiPath @Dolan
Since like 15 years ago, Romania has become an outsourcing destination for task automation software services. Just like India has become the main destination for outsourcing call center services.
And these guys from UiPath found a way to meme this into a startup, then moved up to NY to complete the picture of "global success".

Basically all these "American innovation" corporations actually were originally started in other countries or rely on original ideas developed elsewhere and bought out by printed money from the Fed, given to big funds via banks. And most of their real work is done in developing countries, using the hard work and brains of those people, so that those pampered hipsters can sit in their offices in Palo Alto and congratulate themselves how they're driving the world forward.
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Actually I didn't sit, I used a standing desk
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Dolan wrote:
Djigit wrote:Thoughts on UiPath @Dolan
Since like 15 years ago, Romania has become an outsourcing destination for task automation software services. Just like India has become the main destination for outsourcing call center services.
And these guys from UiPath found a way to meme this into a startup, then moved up to NY to complete the picture of "global success".

Basically all these "American innovation" corporations actually were originally started in other countries or rely on original ideas developed elsewhere and bought out by printed money from the Fed, given to big funds via banks. And most of their real work is done in developing countries, using the hard work and brains of those people, so that those pampered hipsters can sit in their offices in Palo Alto and congratulate themselves how they're driving the world forward.
Sounds like American Exceptional Capitalism at it’s finest
mad cuz bad
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n0el wrote:
Dolan wrote:
Djigit wrote:Thoughts on UiPath @Dolan
Since like 15 years ago, Romania has become an outsourcing destination for task automation software services. Just like India has become the main destination for outsourcing call center services.
And these guys from UiPath found a way to meme this into a startup, then moved up to NY to complete the picture of "global success".

Basically all these "American innovation" corporations actually were originally started in other countries or rely on original ideas developed elsewhere and bought out by printed money from the Fed, given to big funds via banks. And most of their real work is done in developing countries, using the hard work and brains of those people, so that those pampered hipsters can sit in their offices in Palo Alto and congratulate themselves how they're driving the world forward.
Sounds like American Exceptional Capitalism at it’s finest
imagine living in a country that you hate this much
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Made like 30% on doge surge yesterday, could've made 80 if I had waited longer...
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Don't beat* yourself up, it creates self-loathing. Winning is winning.
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Yeah I agree
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RIP sabr
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@duckzilla could you suggest some lithium stocks
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Sorry, I don't have real experience with lithium stocks up to now. However, I had a look into broadly related battery stocks, such as QuantumScape or Novonix. Maybe the latter could be interesting.
Novonix Limited develops and supplies battery materials, equipment, and services to the lithium-ion battery market in North America. The company operates through three segments: Graphite Exploration and Mining, Battery Technology, and Battery Materials. The Graphite Exploration and Mining segment explores for graphite in Australia.
They dropped by ~40% recently since their last peak in February.
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he bought?
he went all in
dump it
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Should Dump all crypto in short term tbh
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crypto is a pump and dump
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Jam wrote:crypto is a pump and dump
no that’s just what I do every morning
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Horsemen wrote:
Jam wrote:crypto is a pump and dump
no that’s just what I do every morning
Based
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The below post demonstrates my ignorance.

I don't understand how currencies are subject to volatile trading. If you sell a stock you are removing your money from the company. If you sell dogecoin you are giving your money to someone else in exchange for something. A currency isn't a corporation. I don't understand.
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evilcheadar wrote:
Horsemen wrote:
Jam wrote:crypto is a pump and dump
no that’s just what I do every morning
Based
Hope you sold out of that shitty travel tech company
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princeofcarthage wrote:Should Dump all crypto in short term tbh
this has been what I've been thinking for years now but my thoughts aren't aging very well so far
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Well since I said that market is roughly 4% down per day except for the in between doge boom due to Elon tweets. If you plan to stay in crypto long term then sure it doesn't make difference but if you are actively trading in it, I don't see much volatility in few upcoming weeks. completely exited crypto few days ago, made ~35% on investment. Now planning to invest again after the incoming crash.
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Though I should say Ada and Matic had bit of a good run for about 40 hrs.
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Jam wrote:The below post demonstrates my ignorance.

I don't understand how currencies are subject to volatile trading. If you sell a stock you are removing your money from the company. If you sell dogecoin you are giving your money to someone else in exchange for something. A currency isn't a corporation. I don't understand.
A share in a company is not money. Companies issue shares to attract capital. It's them saying "our company is thriving and we're selling you a chance to have a share in it, in exchange for capital". For companies that don't pay dividends or don't offer any voting rights, obviously, this is a way to get more capital at zero cost, compared to just borrowing from banks. Share volatility reflects market sentiment on that company's performance. You could think of shares as "company currency" but such an analogy wouldn't hold very well, because companies can go bankrupt and have their assets liquidated, while states not really.

Currency volatility might reflect some very specific conditions in the market, like if there's a shortage of dollars and banks need dollars to service credit lines, then the market might price that in and the dollar might strengthen, relative to other currencies. Or if there's a crisis and financial firms are looking to park their money in assets that offer the best protection against falling share prices, they might buy treasury certificates or foreign currency that is considered a safe haven (like Swiss francs). Which would have the unintended effect of making Swiss francs overvalued, thus creating a problem for the Swiss (economy).

Dogecoin, like any crypto, is neither a company share nor currency, because it's not backed by any actual assets or economy. It's something like a security that is traded because people think it has some value, but the only actual value it has is that people believe it has value. In a way, cryptocurrency is a pornographic representation of the abstraction of currency.
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Horsemen wrote:
evilcheadar wrote:
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Hope you sold out of that shitty travel tech company
Nope still based and sabrpilled. In fact I bought more.
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evilcheadar wrote:
Horsemen wrote:
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Hope you sold out of that shitty travel tech company
Nope still based and sabrpilled. In fact I bought more.
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Jam wrote:I don't understand how currencies are subject to volatile trading. If you sell a stock you are removing your money from the company. If you sell dogecoin you are giving your money to someone else in exchange for something. A currency isn't a corporation. I don't understand.
Think about currency trading as trading in anything else. The price of a currency derives from the current demand and supply of said currency. The value of assets and other currencies is usually denoted in dollars, because it is simply the main reference point.

As Dolan said, owning a company share entitles you to a share of the company profits, paid out in the form of dividends. Hence, common share valuation theories say that the expected future stream of profits divided by the number of shares is a fair stock price. However, that is just a theory and now people come into play. The actual stock price is not determined by some theory, but just by the subjective expectations of millions of individuals. These individuals trade stocks with each other and everyone has his/her own model on how stock prices are formed. The stock price now reflects the aggregate tendency towards bullish or bearish expectations for the corresponding company. Do people on average believe, on whatever basis, that the company is currently over- or undervalued? In the very short run, we can also observe a lot of volatility. This is partially driven by the former and further by the reduced number of available shares for trading, since many shareholders are not active at the markets daily.

The same applies to crypto currencies, just that you are not entitled to shares of a company. The valuation of a currency still depends on the relation between demand and supply. Taking the dollar as an example, the demand for a currency can be driven by products that you can only buy using that currency, e.g. oil. There is a lot of demand for dollar simply because the entire world pays oil in dollars and has to buy these dollars first. Another example are general trade relations. If Germany exports a lot of stuff to non-EU countries, these countries have to pay with Euros, thereby increasing demand and price of the currency. The same is true for crypto currencies, which makes it important when Tesla allows its cars to be bought with bitcoin, since it increases demand for the currency. Cryptos, however, are very volatile compared to other currencies, because their price does not so much depend on market activities such as buying oil or cars but on peoples' expectations that they will be used for such actiivities in the future. Many people just asssume that crypto currencies will be a big thing in the future and the earlier you acquire them, the better is the price that you have to pay for them. Others have no idea how all this works, just see an asset that keeps increasing value and jump on the bandwagon.
Whatever is written above: this is no financial advice.

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@duckzilla Great explanation, but you forgot the part where the USD is backed by a large military and a large gold reserve while the BTC is backed by hot air.

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