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Seriously, please stop with the "it's over", "we're doomed", etc. It's really discouraging to read. You're saying it to be funny, but for some people, this is an absolutely terrible time.

My grandpa's brother died last week. No funeral and only immediate family members were allowed at the grave site on Saturday. His wife was feeling sick and she went to the ER on Sunday. She's now in isolation at the hospital with pneumonia and tested for the virus. She is doing very poorly. This is in a tiny town of 10k people in the middle of nowhere. I had hoped that the area would remain untouched. My grandma's health is pretty bad so I know that if she got this, she will die. For years I have been struggling to come to terms with my grandma dying. She nearly has a few times. Now, how the fuck am I supposed to come to terms with it if I can't even see her or be with my family when it happens?!

I am so angry by the ineptitude of governments not taking it seriously and/or having limited reactions to it. I'm pissed by all the people who ignore it. I'm sad for everyone who has lost and will lose people they love. I feel guilt and sickness that I'm not able to be there for my family or even help in some way.

How are you all doing? How are you coping?
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I am coping by saying life = over. It's definitely not a joke.

Unfortunately life = over is only confirmed in your post.
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Yes I wish “it’s over” was only a dumb joke. Sadly it’s true for people with varying levels of permanency. Optimistically normal life is over for just a few months for most people.
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XeeleeFlower wrote:Seriously, please stop with the "it's over", "we're doomed", etc. It's really discouraging to read. You're saying it to be funny, but for some people, this is an absolutely terrible time.

My grandpa's brother died last week. No funeral and only immediate family members were allowed at the grave site on Saturday. His wife was feeling sick and she went to the ER on Sunday. She's now in isolation at the hospital with pneumonia and tested for the virus. She is doing very poorly. This is in a tiny town of 10k people in the middle of nowhere. I had hoped that the area would remain untouched. My grandma's health is pretty bad so I know that if she got this, she will die. For years I have been struggling to come to terms with my grandma dying. She nearly has a few times. Now, how the fuck am I supposed to come to terms with it if I can't even see her or be with my family when it happens?!

I am so angry by the ineptitude of governments not taking it seriously and/or having limited reactions to it. I'm pissed by all the people who ignore it. I'm sad for everyone who has lost and will lose people they love. I feel guilt and sickness that I'm not able to be there for my family or even help in some way.

How are you all doing? How are you coping?
That sounds horrible. I wish you and your family the best. The chances may look bad, but there is still a possibility to recover from corona.

I guess I'm rather lucky. I do not have many relatives who belong to a high risk group. Mainly my 96 -year-old grandmother. But I think she would be quite okay with dying. Friends and siblings already dead, she lived a very long life and her physicians already told her 15 years ago that her heart is so bad that she could drop dead every moment. Also, the German governmental and health care institutions make a relatively good impression. I did not really expect this.
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princeofcarthage wrote:France UK Netherlands Switzerland Belgium seems to be growing pretty fast now
NL growth is fortunately not really exponential.
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XeeleeFlower wrote:Seriously, please stop with the "it's over", "we're doomed", etc. It's really discouraging to read. You're saying it to be funny, but for some people, this is an absolutely terrible time.

My grandpa's brother died last week. No funeral and only immediate family members were allowed at the grave site on Saturday. His wife was feeling sick and she went to the ER on Sunday. She's now in isolation at the hospital with pneumonia and tested for the virus. She is doing very poorly. This is in a tiny town of 10k people in the middle of nowhere. I had hoped that the area would remain untouched. My grandma's health is pretty bad so I know that if she got this, she will die. For years I have been struggling to come to terms with my grandma dying. She nearly has a few times. Now, how the fuck am I supposed to come to terms with it if I can't even see her or be with my family when it happens?!

I am so angry by the ineptitude of governments not taking it seriously and/or having limited reactions to it. I'm pissed by all the people who ignore it. I'm sad for everyone who has lost and will lose people they love. I feel guilt and sickness that I'm not able to be there for my family or even help in some way.

How are you all doing? How are you coping?
Its a tough time, stay strong and safe!

My grandparents died quite a while ago, so I dont have to worry about them. I suppose I have some aunts and uncles that would be at risk, but I dont have too much connection with them. My parents are in perfect health so theres nothing to worry about there.

That being said I sometimes get emotional about the greater picture. On the one hand its just a very sad time and on the other hand I occasionally get really angry at the lax attitude some people seem to have. Fortunately most of the time Im not really thinking about it too much.
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RefluxSemantic wrote:
princeofcarthage wrote:France UK Netherlands Switzerland Belgium seems to be growing pretty fast now
NL growth is fortunately not really exponential.
Or our testing growth isn't exponential
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Goodspeed wrote:
RefluxSemantic wrote:
princeofcarthage wrote:France UK Netherlands Switzerland Belgium seems to be growing pretty fast now
NL growth is fortunately not really exponential.
Or our testing growth isn't exponential
Look at deaths/hospitalization. Dont look at the number of people infected.
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... therlands/

That daily new deaths graph may not be technically exponential but it's not linear either.
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RefluxSemantic wrote:
Goodspeed wrote:
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Or our testing growth isn't exponential
Look at deaths/hospitalization. Dont look at the number of people infected.
The thing is usual comparative metrics don't work in this situation. And even in those Netherlands is at pretty top which is going to get just worse.
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princeofcarthage wrote:
RefluxSemantic wrote:
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Look at deaths/hospitalization. Dont look at the number of people infected.
The thing is usual comparative metrics don't work in this situation. And even in those Netherlands is at pretty top which is going to get just worse.
??????

What about the metrics does not work? The growth is not exponential and there's no reason to assume it is.
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XeeleeFlower wrote:Seriously, please stop with the "it's over", "we're doomed", etc. It's really discouraging to read. You're saying it to be funny, but for some people, this is an absolutely terrible time.
I'm not trying to be funny, this is how I cope. My dad is 69, my mom is immunocompromised, my boss is 65 and has multiples severe illnesses that make him more susceptible, and his wife has cancer and is currently doing chemo. I am constantly freaking out about it
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XeeleeFlower wrote:Seriously, please stop with the "it's over", "we're doomed", etc. It's really discouraging to read. You're saying it to be funny, but for some people, this is an absolutely terrible time.

My grandpa's brother died last week. No funeral and only immediate family members were allowed at the grave site on Saturday. His wife was feeling sick and she went to the ER on Sunday. She's now in isolation at the hospital with pneumonia and tested for the virus. She is doing very poorly. This is in a tiny town of 10k people in the middle of nowhere. I had hoped that the area would remain untouched. My grandma's health is pretty bad so I know that if she got this, she will die. For years I have been struggling to come to terms with my grandma dying. She nearly has a few times. Now, how the fuck am I supposed to come to terms with it if I can't even see her or be with my family when it happens?!

I am so angry by the ineptitude of governments not taking it seriously and/or having limited reactions to it. I'm pissed by all the people who ignore it. I'm sad for everyone who has lost and will lose people they love. I feel guilt and sickness that I'm not able to be there for my family or even help in some way.

How are you all doing? How are you coping?
I’m sorry to hear that. Hoping for the best in times where it is easy to think the worst.
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One thing I'm not seeing discussed as much is the economic repercussions of this pandemic. The economic fallout is going to be catastrophic, possibly worse than the pandemic itself. Entire industries are going to go bankrupt, the world can only halt to a stop for so long. The unemployment rate is going to skyrocket in most countries and a lot of people are going to lose their jobs. Governments can give cash cheques and subsidise wages for only so long. If it carries on I can see Italy and Spain needing a bailout, a depression is imminent. This pandemic has also revealed the north/south divide within the EU. Clearly there is a lot less "European solidarity" than previously thought and state-nationalism will always prevail in times of crisis like this. The whole Eurobond fiasco that France-Italy-Spain are pushing which is being rejected by Germany-Netherlands has shown that at the end of the day. This is one of the most significant events in the EU history. It will be interesting to see the dynamics of it.
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InsectPoison wrote:Governments can give cash cheques and subsidise wages for only so long.
Just fix the printer if it breaks
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iNcog wrote:It hardly revealed something that was already known to be there.
There's a difference between knowing something exists and acknowledging its existence. Commentary from politicians on both sides consolidates that.
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There is a lot of uncertainty.

The EU may look bad in the current situation. However, that is the result of member states loving to bask in nationalist glory. If you want the EU to look better in crisis times, you should give more power to Brussels. Bilateral help is happening on a small scale. Much more is difficult to do, given that countries who still have free capacities might need these within days or few weeks for their own population.

I would love to see a renewed effort towards a proper European consitution. Unfortunately, I have a hard time believing in it. This is mainly due to the very heterogeneous landscape of member state constitutions and political systems. E.g. French and German citizens have a very hard time understand each others political power structures. In Germany you have lots of federalism and souverainty on the lowest level, such as cities or villages. In France everything seems to be decided at the Elysée palace, even rather local problems. The European Union is again different than Ger/Fra. However, it incorporates many ideas close to federalism (principle of subsidiarity). I'm under the impression that the more centralist a country is, the more its citizens feel somewhat dominated by Brussels, because this is what they know from their own political system. An Englishman from the countryside might feel ignored by his own politicians from London and transfer this feeling over to the EU, assuming that it is "another London on top of it" which just steals more autonomy.
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RefluxSemantic wrote:
princeofcarthage wrote:
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The thing is usual comparative metrics don't work in this situation. And even in those Netherlands is at pretty top which is going to get just worse.
??????

What about the metrics does not work? The growth is not exponential and there's no reason to assume it is.
I never claimed growth was exponential, I just said they are growing pretty fast. You need to stop putting your assumptions and words in other peoples sentences as they completely change the meaning of one has to say.
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Not that I want to nitpick, however since you started with it: I never said you were saying that.

I don't even understand your post then.. What about the metrics does not work? They are pretty good I'd assume. It's not exponential and it won't be and we'll probably reach a peak soon.

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