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- Riotcoke
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Well the rate of interest is lower now as the interest rate for banks is lower, back in the 80s if you just left your money in the bank it made 12 percent.
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@RefluxSemantic
Come to think of it, you could say that the Great Famine that happened in Ireland (the potato famine) was made worse by capitalist policies led by the British government back then, but the cause of the famine was natural, a potato disease, not from the economic system.
Come to think of it, you could say that the Great Famine that happened in Ireland (the potato famine) was made worse by capitalist policies led by the British government back then, but the cause of the famine was natural, a potato disease, not from the economic system.
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The housing market lacks regulation? LolRefluxSemantic wrote:It's not like in the past people hoarded the grain while the peasants starved to death. I think capitalism is capable of many different cruel things and only works when regulated properly. The housing market and the stock markets are areas of capitalism that currently lack regulation.Dolan wrote:Yeah. Basically these are the two main destructive components of capitalism:Show hidden quotes
- the housing market
- financial speculation
The first one has a knock-on effect on the cost of living, because rent prices and home prices become a cost for businesses who employ people that need to rent.
So they have to give them a wage that can at least cover the basic costs of living, otherwise they couldn't even show up to work. Rent and mortgage prices are effectively a cost on the companies' balance sheet.
If renting prices were zero, I'm sure wages would be much lower, because companies wouldn't need to raise the financial incentives to attract employees to join them.
And house prices tend to keep growing when there are no major economic crises, always leading up to bubbles.
Just because house owners can keep squeezing tenants to infinity, if the market is not currently collapsing. Someone will always need a space to live in, or to be able to work in a certain area: free income for the boomers.
The second one doesn't need much explaining, just look at what happened in 2008 and the fact that that crisis has never been solved. It's been solved by kicking the can down the road and freezing the crisis, using public money to save private money.
The other parts of capitalism are the healthier ones and have rarely created any major crises, because they produce tangible products and services people actually need. Nobody would dare increase the price of bread or cheese like they do with the price of rent and houses, during normal economic times. Because bread and cheese don't have much speculative potential, during normal times. But you can squeeze people out of a big chunk of their income because you know they need a space to live in and you're basically blackmailing them with paying a high price for it.
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Just checked the math. In 1990 compared to today, the payment is nearly the same based on average median US house price comparing interest rates, not factoring in inflation at all.RefluxSemantic wrote:You think 76% inflation is enough to close the gap?n0el wrote:Have you heard of inflation?Show hidden quotes
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That's for the USA. I know my parents paid 100k for a house that's worth 500k now, with only about 76% inflation.n0el wrote:Just checked the math. In 1990 compared to today, the payment is nearly the same based on average median US house price comparing interest rates, not factoring in inflation at all.RefluxSemantic wrote:You think 76% inflation is enough to close the gap?Show hidden quotes
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What exactly is your point with this statement?RefluxSemantic wrote:That's for the USA. I know my parents paid 100k for a house that's worth 500k now, with only about 76% inflation.n0el wrote:Just checked the math. In 1990 compared to today, the payment is nearly the same based on average median US house price comparing interest rates, not factoring in inflation at all.Show hidden quotes
Fine line to something great is a strange change.
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That the decrease in the rate on mortgages doesn't even come close to making up for the insane increase in value of houses.princeofcarthage wrote:What exactly is your point with this statement?RefluxSemantic wrote:That's for the USA. I know my parents paid 100k for a house that's worth 500k now, with only about 76% inflation.Show hidden quotes
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Private property is "inviolable" in our country, you are suggesting that we go against our constitutionGoodspeed wrote:You can afford to be forced to sell some of them.
Those ideas of wealth redistribution are the same that communist regimes have. I prefer to have freedom, thank you very much.
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When the people are starving they will give up their freedom for a loaf of bread.
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I didn't mean literally forced. You said your family was forced to sell some properties I assumed that meant it was no longer financially sustainable to keep them so they sold them. If they were literally forced to sell them, yeah that's pretty badJotunir wrote:Private property is "inviolable" in our country, you are suggesting that we go against our constitutionGoodspeed wrote:You can afford to be forced to sell some of them.
Those ideas of wealth redistribution are the same that communist regimes have. I prefer to have freedom, thank you very much.
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China spreads, Western media concealed the dangers of the corona vaccine from Pfizer and Biontech. This is to make the criticism of the lack of transparency of the company's own vaccine manufacturers untrustworthy.
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Whatever is written above: this is no financial advice.
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@Goodspeed @RefluxSemantic Thoughts on the curfew riots? Currently there are riots in Den Haag, Tilburg, Enschede, Venlo, Roermond, Stein, Helmond, Arnhem en Apeldoorn.
Those who make peaceful protest impossible, make violent protest inevitable? There definitely seems to be a trend of peaceful protest being put down hard under the guise of enforcing covid regulations.
Those who make peaceful protest impossible, make violent protest inevitable? There definitely seems to be a trend of peaceful protest being put down hard under the guise of enforcing covid regulations.
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I dislike the curfew. It makes some important aspects of my life very inconvenient or impossible, despite those things having nothing to do with the pandemic at all. If they had just asked me to see people less often, I would have complied.
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You are basically agreeing to the fact that lockdown would have not worked and that a more compromised but compliance option would have been selected.
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Just don't be dumb. Shit ain't that hard tbhMr_Bramboy wrote:@Goodspeed @RefluxSemantic Thoughts on the curfew riots? Currently there are riots in Den Haag, Tilburg, Enschede, Venlo, Roermond, Stein, Helmond, Arnhem en Apeldoorn.
Those who make peaceful protest impossible, make violent protest inevitable? There definitely seems to be a trend of peaceful protest being put down hard under the guise of enforcing covid regulations.
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I just read an article about it on the DW, they say that the riots are because "young people in the area are bored and lack structure"Mr_Bramboy wrote:@Goodspeed @RefluxSemantic Thoughts on the curfew riots? Currently there are riots in Den Haag, Tilburg, Enschede, Venlo, Roermond, Stein, Helmond, Arnhem en Apeldoorn.
Those who make peaceful protest impossible, make violent protest inevitable? There definitely seems to be a trend of peaceful protest being put down hard under the guise of enforcing covid regulations.
@Mr_Bramboy , is this true?
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If people riot, it's good. It means they're not completely dead inside, they still react to stuff that happens. They revolt.Mr_Bramboy wrote:@Goodspeed @RefluxSemantic Thoughts on the curfew riots? Currently there are riots in Den Haag, Tilburg, Enschede, Venlo, Roermond, Stein, Helmond, Arnhem en Apeldoorn.
Those who make peaceful protest impossible, make violent protest inevitable? There definitely seems to be a trend of peaceful protest being put down hard under the guise of enforcing covid regulations.
Whether or not they're right, that's another story.
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Are you an anarchist?Dolan wrote:If people riot, it's good. It means they're not completely dead inside, they still react to stuff that happens. They revolt.Mr_Bramboy wrote:@Goodspeed @RefluxSemantic Thoughts on the curfew riots? Currently there are riots in Den Haag, Tilburg, Enschede, Venlo, Roermond, Stein, Helmond, Arnhem en Apeldoorn.
Those who make peaceful protest impossible, make violent protest inevitable? There definitely seems to be a trend of peaceful protest being put down hard under the guise of enforcing covid regulations.
Whether or not they're right, that's another story.
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No, just saying that rioting means people care about some public issue. It's better than if they're completely lethargic and stop reacting to anything and just become politically passive.
But that doesn't exclude the possibility that they might be wrong on why they riot, they might be misinformed, or just have different interests that conflict with whatever was decided by the authorities.
Anarchism is a system that was never tested in practice, it's mostly a bunch of theories on the possibility of a society without a state.
But that doesn't exclude the possibility that they might be wrong on why they riot, they might be misinformed, or just have different interests that conflict with whatever was decided by the authorities.
Anarchism is a system that was never tested in practice, it's mostly a bunch of theories on the possibility of a society without a state.
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They have been asking that?RefluxSemantic wrote:I dislike the curfew. It makes some important aspects of my life very inconvenient or impossible, despite those things having nothing to do with the pandemic at all. If they had just asked me to see people less often, I would have complied.
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Before the curfew it was apperantly fine to see 2 people. I would have preferred them advising 2 people per week max for example.Goodspeed wrote:They have been asking that?RefluxSemantic wrote:I dislike the curfew. It makes some important aspects of my life very inconvenient or impossible, despite those things having nothing to do with the pandemic at all. If they had just asked me to see people less often, I would have complied.
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People can care about some public issue without rioting... a middle ground is generally better.Dolan wrote:No, just saying that rioting means people care about some public issue. It's better than if they're completely lethargic and stop reacting to anything and just become politically passive.
But that doesn't exclude the possibility that they might be wrong on why they riot, they might be misinformed, or just have different interests that conflict with whatever was decided by the authorities.
Anarchism is a system that was never tested in practice, it's mostly a bunch of theories on the possibility of a society without a state. I don't usually support that kind of stuff.
I'm glad that you don't "usually" support anarchy.
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Peenids on toast
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It is probably unenforceableRefluxSemantic wrote:Before the curfew it was apperantly fine to see 2 people. I would have preferred them advising 2 people per week max for example.Goodspeed wrote:They have been asking that?RefluxSemantic wrote:I dislike the curfew. It makes some important aspects of my life very inconvenient or impossible, despite those things having nothing to do with the pandemic at all. If they had just asked me to see people less often, I would have complied.
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Yeah but sometimes you need to riot to make authorities understand you don't accept some bad law. Like in Romania we had mass protests against a decision made by the government to decriminalise some types of corruption. We realised they were trying to roll back the progress we made in fighting corruption, so people rioted and opposed the government decision.Jotunir wrote:People can care about some public issue without rioting... a middle ground is generally better.Dolan wrote:No, just saying that rioting means people care about some public issue. It's better than if they're completely lethargic and stop reacting to anything and just become politically passive.
But that doesn't exclude the possibility that they might be wrong on why they riot, they might be misinformed, or just have different interests that conflict with whatever was decided by the authorities.
Anarchism is a system that was never tested in practice, it's mostly a bunch of theories on the possibility of a society without a state. I don't usually support that kind of stuff.
Eventually the government gave up, because they realised people knew what they were up to.
I meant I don't usually support political systems that are just based on theory and utopian ideas, and that were never tested in practice. Anarchism is one of those. Communism used to be a theoretical, utopian system but it was eventually tested and it failed every time.I'm glad that you don't "usually" support anarchy.
And I said "usually" because maybe one day some of these systems will be somehow proven workable, using small-scale social experiments, like some prepper communities, that can prove they can live off the grid without any state services.
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