COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak

[fightinfrenchman]

#event 201

agenda 21, agenda 2024, agenda 2030

The numbers, Mason, what do they mean?

[Dolan]

[They] timed it very well, during election year

[wardyb1]

[They] timed it very well, during election year

3rd last paragraph is pretty spot on the money imo. Definitely lost a lot of votes because key voters had lost faith that he was the one to help them/get them out of the unfolding economic crisis.

[fightinfrenchman]

The pandemic helped Trump imo

[gibson]

The pandemic helped Trump imo

Dumb, wrong take

[fightinfrenchman]

The pandemic helped Trump imo

Dumb, wrong take

Nope, it's right

[fightinfrenchman]

TFW Sir musket wins after all

[Dolan]

Is he from Serbia? Weird, he looks like some habeeb from the Middle East.

[princeofcarthage]

The pandemic helped Trump imo

Without plandemic or scamdemic Trump would still be in power, don't see how it helped him.

[evilcheadar]

The pandemic helped Trump imo

Without plandemic or scamdemic Trump would still be in power, don't see how it helped him.

Slamdemic for me

[Dolan]

The pandemic helped Trump imo

Without plandemic or scamdemic Trump would still be in power, don't see how it helped him.

Over for Trump

[RefluxSemantic]

Kinda worried most people will be psychologically burned out just a few months too soon.

[princeofcarthage]

Kinda worried most people will be psychologically burned out just a few months too soon.

Are you worried about me cuz I called it plandemic just to maybe piss off . Worry not! I have actually spent about ~2-3 years of my life in near total isolation. So I think I will be fine for some time, besides we don't have the restrictions here that may psychologically wear us out.

[fightinfrenchman]

Just get vaxxed up then you can do shit

[chris1089]

Just get vaxxed up then you can do shit

For how many months? When will the vaccines be obsolete?

[RefluxSemantic]

Just get vaxxed up then you can do shit

I'm worried that people will start doing shit regardless.

[fightinfrenchman]

Just get vaxxed up then you can do shit

For how many months? When will the vaccines be obsolete?

If it becomes obsolete just get new vaxx

[fightinfrenchman]

Just get vaxxed up then you can do shit

I'm worried that people will start doing shit regardless.

People are already doing shit. That's why the virus is spreading

[RefluxSemantic]

Just get vaxxed up then you can do shit

I'm worried that people will start doing shit regardless.

People are already doing shit. That's why the virus is spreading

The way I see it, by far the most import thing is the actual social distancing - so limiting social interactions. The support for these restrictions seems to be decreasing. It's worrying.

Article in Dutch, maybe you can use google translate or DeepL or something: https://www.ioresearch.nl/actueel/roep- ... neemt-toe/

deepl translation

The proportion of Dutch people who want an easing of the lockdown has doubled since the end of January: from 21 to 45 percent. Nearly one in ten (9%) wants to loosen the lockdown altogether.
The proportion wanting to tighten the lockdown fell, from 29 to 9 percent.
This was shown in a survey conducted by I&O Research on behalf of the Dutch broadcasting corporation NOS. The research took place from Friday 12 to Monday morning 15 February 2021, so before the judge's ruling that the curfew must be lifted. There were 2,258 Dutch people who participated in this research.


Support for corona measures declines slightly
At this moment 68 percent of the Dutch population supports the corona measures, at the beginning of January this was 72 percent and at the end of January 75 percent.

Young people, in particular, are starting to feel worse....
The explanation for the call for easing lies in the fact that many people are struggling.
The proportion of Dutch people who do not feel good now, but also not bad or worse, increased: from 18 to 23 percent. But if we ask further questions - how do you feel compared to before the corona crisis? - it turns out that the proportion of people who feel less good now than before the crisis has risen sharply: from a quarter to a third.
Young people are having a particularly hard time: both 18-24 and 25-34 year olds are feeling even worse. Among 18-24 year olds, as many as 56 percent now feel worse than they did before the crisis.


...but every age group is struggling in its own way
Every age group is struggling in its own way.

The youngest in this survey (ages 18-24) wonder when their lives will really begin, whether they are wasting their youth. "I feel bad that I've been living so much towards this moment (just 18, student life) and now that's all on pause and also gives me stress about whether I'm not wasting my youth and what I want with my life." Young people miss socializing, going out, concerts, sports. Many are lonely or even depressed.
The category above them also misses social contact and going out. "And I feel a lot of frustration because I do neatly what needs to be done, and feel like a lot of people don't, and therefore it's only going to take longer." This group (25-50 years old) often has both work and children, which adds to the burden: "The combination of work and children at home is too heavy."
Working people are fed up with working at home or - if they do work outside the home - the restrictive measures ("It's more tiring working with a mouth mask on"). Again, the lack of exercise is breaking them down ("My condition has deteriorated because of Corona").
Older people more often mention their fear of becoming infected and find it difficult that they are dependent on friends or informal carers: "even more dependent on a good friend who has been doing all my shopping for almost a full year now".
Relax corona measures for young people
Slightly more than half of the Dutch (52%) agree with the statement "The first relaxations of the corona measures should be aimed at young people". Especially young people themselves (64%) think so. Why? That is where the results from the previous section provide answers plus the answers to the statement "The mental consequences of the lockdown for young people are no longer justified": here, too, 64% of young people agree.
Not all older people have the same level of compassion for the young. With the statement "The lockdown is no heavier for young people than for other age groups" half of the over-50s agree, about a third of the elderly disagree. Among young people (18-24), only a quarter endorse this, 58 percent disagree.

Curfew: not a big problem
As we saw in January, the Dutch have more difficulty with the rule that only one visitor may be received than with the curfew. After three weeks of curfew, eight out of ten Dutch people still find this rule acceptable (now 81%).
69 percent think it is good that the government has extended the curfew (18% do not). And 92 percent also say they fully comply with it, 5 percent not 100% (this is about the same for all ages). For 10 percent the curfew is problematic, this is about the same as at the end of January. One student explains it as follows:
"The curfew means for me that I am not allowed to see my friends in my student room after 9 o'clock, having a quick dinner together after work is the only thing that is possible and I find that very annoying. Normally you could still meet up with 1 friend at a distance in the evening, but now you just can't do anything at all."

Being allowed to host one guest significantly more problematic
People have much more difficulty with the rule that only one guest may be received. Only four out of ten Dutch people think this is a good measure. For 41 percent, this rule is problematic, for the same percentage it is not. But striking: 29 percent say they do not 100% comply with this rule. These are mainly people aged 25-34 (52% do not always abide by it). Many people find the rule impractical. Visitors often come in pairs and they themselves are mostly that way. They miss the contact too much and feel increasingly lonely. People are not unwilling, want to comply with the measures, but they choose the - in their eyes - least evil of the two: civil disobedience.

Only 15 percent satisfied with implementation of vaccinations
The proportion of Dutch people who plan to be vaccinated is still rising (slightly).
The percentage 'definitely do', usually a good indication of expected behavior, rose from 29 percent in November to 66 percent. The proportion 'do' (definitely or probably) increased from 60 percent in November to 83 percent in February.
Half of all Dutch people (51%) support the vaccination policy of the (outgoing) cabinet. Compared to the overall support for the corona measures (68%), this is not very high.
The enthusiasm about the way vaccination is organized and carried out in the Netherlands is significantly lower than the support for the vaccination policy. Only 15 percent call it excellent (2%) to good (13%). Over half call it not so good (31%) or bad (23%).

Trust in most key players down (slightly)
The Dutch still have a great deal of confidence in the people playing a leading role in dealing with the corona crisis, especially in Diederik Gommers, Ernst Kuipers and Marion Koopmans (two-thirds to three-quarters of the Dutch have confidence in them).
But this confidence has declined across the board. Especially the GGDs (and André Rouvoet[1]) took a dent. The "national government" as a whole also lost confidence (from 67% to 52%), but Prime Minister Rutte barely (from 65% to 63%).

1] It should be noted that a quarter of the Dutch population does not know Rouvoet

Justification
This survey took place from Friday 12 to Monday morning 15 February 2021.
A total of 2,258 Dutch people participated in this survey.

The majority of the participants (2,141) came from the I&O Research Panel. In addition, 117 Dutch people completed the questionnaire via the PanelClix panel (mainly Dutch people with a non-Western background).

The survey results were weighted for gender, age, region, level of education and voting behaviour in the House of Representatives elections in March 2017. The weighting was performed in accordance with the guidelines of the Gold Standard. This makes the sample representative of Dutch residents eligible to vote (18+), with respect to these background characteristics.



Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

[fightinfrenchman]

Who wants to go out and do shit in the winter anyway. Just wait for the vaxx

[Dolan]

Just get vaxxed up then you can do shit

They say it could take 7 years

[gibson]

Thats just not right, try fact checking you boomer.

[Dolan]

Thats just not right, try fact checking you boomer.

It's based on facts

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... calculator

[RefluxSemantic]

Thats just not right, try fact checking you boomer.

I ran the Dutch numbers and 7 years seems like a pretty optimistic estimate lol. The rate of vaccination can and will increase though.

[fightinfrenchman]

Thats just not right, try fact checking you boomer.

I ran the Dutch numbers and 7 years seems like a pretty optimistic estimate lol. The rate of vaccination can and will increase though.

Of course it will, that's why calculating based on the rate weeks ago is dumb and pointless