COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak

[princeofcarthage]

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Pfizer is great and deserves more money than they have

Musk is also great, at least he is striving to make humans multi planetary, he deserves more money. What does pfizer? Make shit vaccines and loot people? No thanks. I would rather burn them. Moderna is ironically better.

Pfizer didn't loot me. If anything they're partially responsible for paying me

You live in toon world if you think you didn't pay for pfizer.

I didn't pay for Pfizer

You did.

[fightinfrenchman]

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Pfizer is great and deserves more money than they have

Musk is also great, at least he is striving to make humans multi planetary, he deserves more money. What does pfizer? Make shit vaccines and loot people? No thanks. I would rather burn them. Moderna is ironically better.

Pfizer didn't loot me. If anything they're partially responsible for paying me

You live in toon world if you think you didn't pay for pfizer.

I didn't pay for Pfizer

You did.

How

[Dolan]

I do however think he is dedicated to space exploration. Yes, its not like Musk is going to manually build all equipments and fly people to Mars. But which leader does? Even geniuses are stray sheeps without proper leader and its a rare coincidence that Musk is a dedicated leader and brilliant. If anyone from the current generation is capable it is him. Of course lot of other factors also come in play like politics and stuff.

You have a very rosy picture of those people. They're in this for the image, they have a lot of money and they're bored. Beyond a certain level of wealth, you don't even care about getting more wealth, you care about accumulating bragging points. I think I explained the upper classes' mentality before. These people don't care about steering humanity towards [heroic bullshit here], they care about being seen as trailblazers. It's a question of what some sociologists called sign value. It's a new type of prestige, if you will. And they want to buy it with the wealth they accumulated, because obviously they're not smart enough to build those tools themselves, they need to employ actually bright people whose names don't appear in the media.

[fightinfrenchman]

You have a very rosy picture of those people. They're in this for the image,

Exemplified brilliantly by Jeff Bezos getting that horrible botox

[Dolan]

And Bill Gates who apparently got mixed up with Epstein not for the happy island parties, but because he thought Epstein was well-connected and could have helped Gates get a Noble prize for peace.
Yeah, it was all for personal vanity, the guy has more money than he needs, he wants to buy his "place in history" too now.

[princeofcarthage]

I do however think he is dedicated to space exploration. Yes, its not like Musk is going to manually build all equipments and fly people to Mars. But which leader does? Even geniuses are stray sheeps without proper leader and its a rare coincidence that Musk is a dedicated leader and brilliant. If anyone from the current generation is capable it is him. Of course lot of other factors also come in play like politics and stuff.

You have a very rosy picture of those people. They're in this for the image, they have a lot of money and they're bored. Beyond a certain level of wealth, you don't even care about getting more wealth, you care about accumulating bragging points. I think I explained the upper classes' mentality before. These people don't care about steering humanity towards [heroic bullshit here], they care about being seen as trailblazers. It's a question of what some sociologists called sign value. It's a new type of prestige, if you will. And they want to buy it with the wealth they accumulated, because obviously they're not smart enough to build those tools themselves, they need to employ actually bright people whose names don't appear in the media.

And I don't particularly deny or disagree with your assessment. Whatever the reason maybe, the important thing is that progress is happening. Also Musk literally got accepted into one of the toughest field at Stanford university, so calling him anything less than bright shows your egoistic nature than anything.

[Dolan]

And I don't particularly deny or disagree with your assessment. Whatever the reason maybe, the important thing is that progress is happening. Also Musk literally got accepted into one of the toughest field at Stanford university, so calling him anything less than bright shows your egoistic nature than anything.

Sure, you need to have some brains to build that level of wealth, obviously. It's usually a middle class background and some brains. I don't really know all the background information on how he got accepted at Stanford. I had a work colleague with a similar background as him and he got into a Harvard program just because his parents had the money to pay for it. Again, why do these people do this? Because having such a degree gives you bragging points when you meet your upper class buddies. They're all about bragging about achievements. Growing up in that environment makes you seek those kinds of achievements and use family resources and connections to get there.

[RefluxSemantic]

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Pfizer efficacy reportedly drops significantly to 42% after ~ 6 months and against delta. While Moderna maintains 76%, Covaxin 65%. According to preliminary not yet peer reviewed study. If found true then it confirms my suspicion about mRNA vaccines being very limited in scope as far as mutations are concerned and that pfizer intentionally reduced potency span of vaccine in order to boost sales. Fuck pfizer, burn them into the ground.

So you say that my shares are going to increase in value? Sounds good.

Ngl, you are like the elites. You sought to benefit from a global pandemic, feeding on the last savings of poor.

Maybe. But actually I invested into BioNTech, not Pfizer. Mostly due to their promising cancer research. Got lucky with the covid19 vaccine.

Did Pfizer also intens to use the mrna technology for cancer treatment? I read that Modernas plan was to immunize people against their cancer cells, but for that they needed a more adaptable way of vaccinating and thats why they pursued the hyperadaptable mrna technology.

Its quite ingenious tbh. Im sure this will be the future of vaccines in general.

[princeofcarthage]

He literally said that BioNTech which developed the Pfizer vaccine is focused on cancer research which is also mRNA based.

[Dolan]

mfw I just realised the reason why fighting man was so eager to get vaxxed was to save the lives of his favourite demographic, boomers.

[fightinfrenchman]

The importance of branding

[harcha]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FHlLEt-vb8
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapse ... 09fb0b47ae
Paycheck reduction for not being vaccinated.

So far in my job I felt like it would have been beneficial to not tell anyone I'm vaccinated, because then I woulda been able to work from home more. However this is a good reason for the contrary. Though I'm mostly interested in how legal this is or would be in Europe.

[wardyb1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FHlLEt-vb8
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapse ... 09fb0b47ae
Paycheck reduction for not being vaccinated.

So far in my job I felt like it would have been beneficial to not tell anyone I'm vaccinated, because then I woulda been able to work from home more. However this is a good reason for the contrary. Though I'm mostly interested in how legal this is or would be in Europe.

Yes, I don't think this would pass muster in any countries where medical insurance isn't tied to jobs (I think pretty much only the US does that right?). For instance the article mentions the deductions smokers face in some jobs, but I presume that is both a medical insurance thing + lost time at work due to extra smoke breaks.
There is definitely the argument to losing your job for not being vaccinated if you come into contact with literally anybody as it can be argued they are a greater danger to being "safe" at work.

[RefluxSemantic]

I kinda want us to just ignore anti-vaxxers. I can't go to parties atm, but wouldn't parties be pretty much safe if you demand a vaccination with pfizer/moderna/possibly AZ (not janssen, thats just not good enough) and then also demand people to get tested? But lawmakers don't want to exclude anti-vaxxers from events, so then nobody gets to enjoy life I suppose.

[harcha]

IDK if safe is the right word, but the risk would be far lower. If everyone is vaccinated, both the likelyhood (of spread) and the severity (of illness) are reduced, which is how risk is assessed.

We are working from office without masks because everyone is vaccinated. But of course it's still possible to catch covid. My gf felt ill today and co-worker as well. At this rate I shall stop coming to the office very soon.

[howlingwolfpaw]

THIS IS BIG !!! and short..... Last night, I watched this amazing movie that really everyone should watch, it was called "Flowers for Algernon" Full of deep emotions, I was laughing, tearing up, and everything in between. Just realizing the parallels of taking an experimental procedure, that at first greatly increased his intelligence, but it burned out his brain and eventually became dumber than he was before so much so he had to leave his old life behind. Swap that out for immunological response and what the CDC is saying here is an exact parallel.

[Snuden]

THIS IS BIG !!! and short..... Last night, I watched this amazing movie that really everyone should watch, it was called "Flowers for Algernon" Full of deep emotions, I was laughing, tearing up, and everything in between. Just realizing the parallels of taking an experimental procedure, that at first greatly increased his intelligence, but it burned out his brain and eventually became dumber than he was before so much so he had to leave his old life behind. Swap that out for immunological response and what the CDC is saying here is an exact parallel.

Sounds like coke, ngl.
(Posting on behalf of a friend)

[howlingwolfpaw]

I wouldnt know.

[callentournies]

THIS IS BIG !!! and short..... Last night, I watched this amazing movie that really everyone should watch, it was called "Flowers for Algernon" Full of deep emotions, I was laughing, tearing up, and everything in between. Just realizing the parallels of taking an experimental procedure, that at first greatly increased his intelligence, but it burned out his brain and eventually became dumber than he was before so much so he had to leave his old life behind. Swap that out for immunological response and what the CDC is saying here is an exact parallel.

the jews are trying to get it banned :O

[harcha]

THIS IS BIG !!! and short..... Last night, I watched this amazing movie that really everyone should watch, it was called "Flowers for Algernon" Full of deep emotions, I was laughing, tearing up, and everything in between. Just realizing the parallels of taking an experimental procedure, that at first greatly increased his intelligence, but it burned out his brain and eventually became dumber than he was before so much so he had to leave his old life behind. Swap that out for immunological response and what the CDC is saying here is an exact parallel.

except taking the shot is not "experimental procedure"

[RefluxSemantic]

Dutch health institute RIVM just reported that the vaccines have 97% efficacy against ICU admission.

That means that as far as I am concerned, the pandemic is over. The biggest spike we had before vaccinating was in december/beginning of january. At that peak, the RIVM estimates that we had about 165,000 infected people. That resulted in 700 ICU admissions, which is a number that the Netherlands can handle reasonably well. Given that the vaccines reduce the risk of ICU admission by a factor 33, we would need to have ~5.4 million people concurrently infected (out of a total of 17 million inhabitants). The combination of vaccination preventing infection, spread and at that point herd immunity make it impossible for this to happen. If there are too many people claiming ICU beds, its because a large portion of those people are unvaccinated people. The government should announce that in such a scenario, vaccinated people will get priority and call it a day. This shit is done.

[howlingwolfpaw]

THIS IS BIG !!! and short..... Last night, I watched this amazing movie that really everyone should watch, it was called "Flowers for Algernon" Full of deep emotions, I was laughing, tearing up, and everything in between. Just realizing the parallels of taking an experimental procedure, that at first greatly increased his intelligence, but it burned out his brain and eventually became dumber than he was before so much so he had to leave his old life behind. Swap that out for immunological response and what the CDC is saying here is an exact parallel.

except taking the shot is not "experimental procedure"

why do you say that> is that because you think just because the FDA approved it means its safe? they approve fentanyl as a pain medication!
And no one has received the actual "approved" product yet, so even those getting it now are still under experimental rules/laws.

Long term studies are still under way

[howlingwolfpaw]

Dutch health institute RIVM just reported that the vaccines have 97% efficacy against ICU admission.

That means that as far as I am concerned, the pandemic is over. The biggest spike we had before vaccinating was in december/beginning of january. At that peak, the RIVM estimates that we had about 165,000 infected people. That resulted in 700 ICU admissions, which is a number that the Netherlands can handle reasonably well. Given that the vaccines reduce the risk of ICU admission by a factor 33, we would need to have ~5.4 million people concurrently infected (out of a total of 17 million inhabitants). The combination of vaccination preventing infection, spread and at that point herd immunity make it impossible for this to happen. If there are too many people claiming ICU beds, its because a large portion of those people are unvaccinated people. The government should announce that in such a scenario, vaccinated people will get priority and call it a day. This shit is done.

where does this announcement come from by the CDC then? what do they know that are not telling people, but to expect early on vaccinated to get sicker?


(also note there were so many given out to so many different areas)

[RefluxSemantic]

The fuck are you even talking about

[Snuden]

A very rare form of word salad.