As far as I know the (super super rare) blood clots from AZ/J&J are a special kind of blood clots (that are super rare in general) so I dont think that family history of blood clots is generally very relevant.harcha wrote:as far as i understand for those that have a history of blood clot problems it's better to choose an mrna vaccine (pfizer or moderna) as opposed to the messenger type (astrazeneca or johnson or others).
COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
-
- Gendarme
- Posts: 5996
- Joined: Jun 4, 2019
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
- harcha
- Gendarme
- Posts: 5136
- Joined: Jul 2, 2015
- ESO: hatamoto_samurai
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
We had a presentation from our countries main immunologists that was organized by my work place. What they said was that if you have had problems with blood clots, and then take the AZ vaccine, and have blood clot related symptoms afterwards, that they won't be able to tell what caused the latest blood clot problems and thus won't know the right treatment. The impression that I got was that the treatment to these problems can be opposite depending on the cause, thus if you give the wrong treatment you can worsen the condition and cause death.
If i'm not mistaken hysteria from AZ related blood clots started (at the beginning of 2021) because there was someone with previous blood clot problems that got the vaccine, experienced new blood clot related problems and then was treated wrongly and died. I can't be bothered to find sources, and I don't care to be entirely precise here. All i care about is following the instructions of the best professionals we have here.
So if you have the option it's better to avoid a situation where medical professionals can't diagnose you correctly. This only applies to those individuals (probably not family history) who have a history of blood clot problems (i.e. my grandmother, who didn't want to get vaccinated (her family physician wanted to send her to get the AZ knowing her history) until I helped her find where she could get the mrna one).
On the other hand if you don't have options it is probably less risky going with AZ as opposed to nothing, so there is that. In this case you should probably contact the specialists in your area to help you evaluate the situation individually.
If i'm not mistaken hysteria from AZ related blood clots started (at the beginning of 2021) because there was someone with previous blood clot problems that got the vaccine, experienced new blood clot related problems and then was treated wrongly and died. I can't be bothered to find sources, and I don't care to be entirely precise here. All i care about is following the instructions of the best professionals we have here.
So if you have the option it's better to avoid a situation where medical professionals can't diagnose you correctly. This only applies to those individuals (probably not family history) who have a history of blood clot problems (i.e. my grandmother, who didn't want to get vaccinated (her family physician wanted to send her to get the AZ knowing her history) until I helped her find where she could get the mrna one).
On the other hand if you don't have options it is probably less risky going with AZ as opposed to nothing, so there is that. In this case you should probably contact the specialists in your area to help you evaluate the situation individually.
POC wrote:Also I most likely know a whole lot more than you.
POC wrote:Also as an objective third party, and near 100% accuracy of giving correct information, I would say my opinions are more reliable than yours.
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
AZ is not a good vaccine, my cousin and my uncle are both now suffering from covid symptoms after getting injected with that crap.
- harcha
- Gendarme
- Posts: 5136
- Joined: Jul 2, 2015
- ESO: hatamoto_samurai
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
Yeah it's normal to have fever after first shot on messenger vaccines and after second shot on mrna vaccines. I asked this question in the work meeting with immunologists and they confirmed so. Some paracetamol helped me and my friends.
POC wrote:Also I most likely know a whole lot more than you.
POC wrote:Also as an objective third party, and near 100% accuracy of giving correct information, I would say my opinions are more reliable than yours.
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
I got the AZ shot four weeks ago and did not have any symptoms
Whatever is written above: this is no financial advice.
Beati pauperes spiritu.
Beati pauperes spiritu.
-
- Lancer
- Posts: 970
- Joined: Mar 6, 2016
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
well done, now you understand how vaccines work!Jotunir wrote:AZ is not a good vaccine, my cousin and my uncle are both now suffering from covid symptoms after getting injected with that crap.
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
My cousin cannot have fever... He has a heart condition and he will die if it surpasses 38.5 Ā°CInsectPoison wrote:well done, now you understand how vaccines work!Jotunir wrote:AZ is not a good vaccine, my cousin and my uncle are both now suffering from covid symptoms after getting injected with that crap.
His father had the vaccine a week earlier and he reached 39Ā°C so I am praying now.
Taking any of this experimental vaccines is like shooting yourself on the foot because you fear being shot by another person.
- harcha
- Gendarme
- Posts: 5136
- Joined: Jul 2, 2015
- ESO: hatamoto_samurai
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
point is there are plenty of people who simply can't afford to take the vaccine due to severe pre-existing health conditions, so everyone else has to step up
POC wrote:Also I most likely know a whole lot more than you.
POC wrote:Also as an objective third party, and near 100% accuracy of giving correct information, I would say my opinions are more reliable than yours.
-
- Gendarme
- Posts: 5996
- Joined: Jun 4, 2019
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
Imagine what would happen if he got covid lol. What if he gets covid from you because you're scared of a vaccine?Jotunir wrote:My cousin cannot have fever... He has a heart condition and he will die if it surpasses 38.5 Ā°CInsectPoison wrote:well done, now you understand how vaccines work!Jotunir wrote:AZ is not a good vaccine, my cousin and my uncle are both now suffering from covid symptoms after getting injected with that crap.
His father had the vaccine a week earlier and he reached 39Ā°C so I am praying now.
Taking any of this experimental vaccines is like shooting yourself on the foot because you fear being shot by another person.
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
These vaccines aren't experimental......
-
- Gendarme
- Posts: 5996
- Joined: Jun 4, 2019
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
I also think we have the duty to take a tiny risk to ultimately save lives and go back to normal. Sorry to sound like a boomer here, but it's a big contrast between those young adults that sacrifised their lives for our freedom in WW2 and these morons that don't want to take a vaccine to get our freedom back.
And honestly, Jotunir has to worry about a particular disease that his family seems particularly vulnerable to.
And honestly, Jotunir has to worry about a particular disease that his family seems particularly vulnerable to.
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
He cannot get it from me because we had no close contact since the pandemic started, specifically to protect him.RefluxSemantic wrote:Imagine what would happen if he got covid lol. What if he gets covid from you because you're scared of a vaccine?Jotunir wrote:My cousin cannot have fever... He has a heart condition and he will die if it surpasses 38.5 Ā°CShow hidden quotes
His father had the vaccine a week earlier and he reached 39Ā°C so I am praying now.
Taking any of this experimental vaccines is like shooting yourself on the foot because you fear being shot by another person.
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
@RefluxSemantic I don't believe in taking unnecessary risks.Jotunir wrote:RefluxSemantic wrote:Imagine what would happen if he got covid lol. What if he gets covid from you because you're scared of a vaccine?Show hidden quotes
- harcha
- Gendarme
- Posts: 5136
- Joined: Jul 2, 2015
- ESO: hatamoto_samurai
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
then why are you taking an unnecessary risk
POC wrote:Also I most likely know a whole lot more than you.
POC wrote:Also as an objective third party, and near 100% accuracy of giving correct information, I would say my opinions are more reliable than yours.
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
It is funny that you see it that way. I think that injecting yourself with experimental vaccines is taking unnecessary risks.harcha wrote:then why are you taking an unnecessary risk
I am not a lab rat.
- harcha
- Gendarme
- Posts: 5136
- Joined: Jul 2, 2015
- ESO: hatamoto_samurai
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
by all means i don't suggest you inject sputnik V, but all else are pretty rigidly tested and scientifically accepted afaik
POC wrote:Also I most likely know a whole lot more than you.
POC wrote:Also as an objective third party, and near 100% accuracy of giving correct information, I would say my opinions are more reliable than yours.
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
Well my country is only providing Sinopharm, Sputnik V and AstraZeneca vaccines so... I prefer to wait. Prudence is a virtue that which helps us to discern wisely.harcha wrote:by all means i don't suggest you inject sputnik V, but all else are pretty rigidly tested and scientifically accepted afaik
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
There is less risk in taking a covid vaccine than getting in a car or eating a hamburger
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
I do not get into cars and I do not eat raw hamburgers.gibson wrote:There is less risk in taking a covid vaccine than getting in a car or eating a hamburger
- harcha
- Gendarme
- Posts: 5136
- Joined: Jul 2, 2015
- ESO: hatamoto_samurai
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
not sure if you understand what is a hamburger
POC wrote:Also I most likely know a whole lot more than you.
POC wrote:Also as an objective third party, and near 100% accuracy of giving correct information, I would say my opinions are more reliable than yours.
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
Tbh living, in general, is dangerous.
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
harcha wrote:not sure if you understand what is a hamburger
- Attachments
-
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
Agreed.Dolan wrote:Tbh living, in general, is dangerous.
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
Tbh that was a quote
- princeofcarthage
- Retired Contributor
- Posts: 8861
- Joined: Aug 28, 2015
- Location: Milky Way!
Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
And a fact, even before you are born, even before your first eye pops or your fingers grow there are billion ways you can die. The thing is we are pretty strong. It is a fact excessive use of medicines makes us weaker in general.Dolan wrote:Tbh that was a quote
Fine line to something great is a strange change.
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 16 guests