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Disagree, I think everyone should be able to reproduce. How do you even decide who is "superior"?
Precisely my point. So how do you decide who should and shouldn’t be reproducing?
I just asked you that. How was repeating the same question back to me ever a satisfying answer in your mind?
Are not the ones who should reproduce by definition “superior” to those who shouldn’t?
No, just better qualified to be parents.
You did say you think some people shouldn’t reproduce.
"Shouldn't" does not equal "shouldn't be allowed to". Those are your words not mine.
I agree. But you say some people shouldn’t reproduce, how do want to stop them from doing that if not by sterilizing them?
You don't.
I understand. So I assume your only point is that some people are lesser qualified for reproduction that others?
Yeah, I don't share your opinion that we should sterilize "inferior" people.

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I like babies. Does anyone else like babies?
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They're loud, needy and don't have any interesting opinions. 3/10
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i hate babies too. babies become tolerable when they can speak in complete sentences
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iNcog wrote:As you said, it's a downward slope. That's why you don't go down it.
Fair enough. But what if you slip?
I also think that some people indeed don't make good parents.
You are most certainly right. But this started in a context about how the world population is growing too big. To have any noticeable effect it isn’t enough to stop a few thousands or even hundreds of thousands from reproducing. You need to get up to hundreds of millions who you stop from reproducing to get any noticeable result. How do you pick out such a big group of people? In many cases you don’t even know if someone will be a good or bad parent until after they have become one.
they're all white too, mind you.
Why is this relevant in the slightest? Do you assume good parenthood have something to do with skin color?
However, a child limit policy is something realistic and probably good. There are too many children in the world today.
The developed countries have little if any problem with too many births, it’s almost the other way around. Many countries in Europe would have a declining population if it wasn’t for the immigration. So a child limit policy would not be that useful here. As for in developing countries, there you get the problem with that parents might start killing their babies (or having abortions) because they weren’t of the “right” gender. Better try to help the developing countries become developed, because then it seems like the fertility rate drops naturally.
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Precisely my point. So how do you decide who should and shouldn’t be reproducing?
I just asked you that. How was repeating the same question back to me ever a satisfying answer in your mind?
There are several ways you could, depending on what you think are important. A professional football player is for example superior to an amateur in the context of football. To decide who is superior as human is something you shouldn’t do however.
When you say “some people shouldn’t reproduce” while you want others to do it, to me that means you think some people are better qualified for reproduction. So my question to you was how you decide who is better qualified for reproduction and who isn’t?
It was a satisfying answer in my mind since I thought you would understand that it was this last question that I wanted you to answer.
Are not the ones who should reproduce by definition “superior” to those who shouldn’t?
No, just better qualified to be parents.
Might be me that is using the English language in a wrong way, but what you just said does to me mean that you think some people are superior to others in the context of raising children. Also, how do you deem so many people to be bad parents that it would have an effect on the world population if they stopped reproducing?
You did say you think some people shouldn’t reproduce.
"Shouldn't" does not equal "shouldn't be allowed to". Those are your words not mine.
Sure. But as I wrote to iNcog, this started in the context of overpopulation and child limit policy. So to me it seemed you wanted to actively do something about it, like prohibiting some people who you think will be bad parents from reproducing. And we are only not talking about the obvious child abuser but on the scale of hundreds of millions for it to influence the world population.
I agree. But you say some people shouldn’t reproduce, how do want to stop them from doing that if not by sterilizing them?
You don't.
Nice, we can agree on that one.
I understand. So I assume your only point is that some people are lesser qualified for reproduction that others?
Yeah, I don't share your opinion that we should sterilize "inferior" people.
I most certainly have no such opinion. If you really didn’t get the sarcasm in the first post, I don’t know what to say.
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If you really didn’t get the sarcasm in the first post, I don’t know what to say.
When you start a discussion in bad faith, you get a bad faith response.
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Goodspeed wrote:
If you really didn’t get the sarcasm in the first post, I don’t know what to say.
When you start a discussion in bad faith, you get a bad faith response.
Sure, but now that you've had your revenge, I hope you feel better and perhaps would you dignify me with one serious response?
And sure it was exaggerated with reference to nazis, but to talk about who should and who shouldn't reproduce and in the context of overpopulation are quite close to some nazi ideas imo. In many (if not most) cases identifying/stating a problem (for example that people that shouldn't reproduce do so and that people that should don't) are closely followed by suggestions on how to solve that problem (how to make the right people reproduce). Talking about who will be a good or bad parent have a whole other air to it than talking about who should or shouldn't reproduce.
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I think Goodspeeds point is that we can't determine who the "right" people are to reproduce, but since better parents usually have less children, a 2-children policy is a good idea overall.
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martinspjuth wrote:And sure it was exaggerated with reference to nazis, but to talk about who should and who shouldn't reproduce and in the context of overpopulation are quite close to some nazi ideas imo.
Is that because you're wrongly assuming I'm talking about one race versus another?
In many (if not most) cases identifying/stating a problem (for example that people that shouldn't reproduce do so and that people that should don't) are closely followed by suggestions on how to solve that problem (how to make the right people reproduce). Talking about who will be a good or bad parent have a whole other air to it than talking about who should or shouldn't reproduce.
In this case the suggestion came first. A max of 2 kids pp. I never said anything about making the right people reproduce, or making the wrong people not do so. That's just what you read, because it fits your narrative. So you really didn't deserve a serious response, but I'm feeling generous.

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"I never said anything about making the right people reproduce, or making the wrong people not do so."
"it's that people who shouldn't be reproducing are doing so at a higher rate than people who should be,"
One can draw a distinction between 'making' someone not do something (even though fines were suggested) and merely stating that they 'shouldn't', but the second quote somewhat begs the question.
"Interesting to see how many people here are responding to the impending climate crisis by shifting towards eco-fascism and Malthusian population theory because eugenics and genocide seem more palpable to them than the idea of being without capitalism.
A succinct analysis- but it seems that it isn't the 'capitalists' making that point here, globally they tend to let the army of useful idiots do that for them, both 'left' and 'right'.

After all, with reference to Malthus, those seeking to create the brave new world ultimately care little about how they get there.
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oats13 wrote:A succinct analysis- but it seems that it isn't the 'capitalists' making that point here, globally they tend to let the army of useful idiots do that for them, both 'left' and 'right'.

After all, with reference to Malthus, those seeking to create the brave new world ultimately care little about how they get there.
Well, it’s certainly not capitalists who believe in a powerful, centralized state to fix many of society’s “problems”. Besides, capitalists love a steady supply of cheap labor! I’m not surprised that those people who believe in drastic top-down measures to curb overpopulation are the same people who espouse some serious socialist policies in other threads.
The scientific term for China creating free units is Mitoe-sis.

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A 2 kid policy isn't actually a serious opinion of mine, for the record. It wouldn't solve much and would be a serious infringement on people's personal freedom. Doesn't seem worth it. This seemed like a great thread to shitpost it into, and I got some good responses but you guys are getting too serious.

I do think some if not most people shouldn't have kids though.

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occamslightsaber wrote:the same people who espouse some serious socialist policies in other threads.
This should be good. What serious socialist policies do you speak of?
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Imagine fightinfrenchman being your dad
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Horsemen wrote:Imagine fightinfrenchman being your dad
If I ever got someone pregnant I would kill myself instantly
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fightinfrenchman wrote:
Horsemen wrote:Imagine fightinfrenchman being your dad
If I ever got someone pregnant I would kill myself instantly
Same, good thing I'll never have the opportunity to. God I love self deprecating humor
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fightinfrenchman wrote:
Horsemen wrote:Imagine fightinfrenchman being your dad
If I ever got someone pregnant I would kill myself instantly
maybe it's better that left-wingers don't reproduce
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Horsemen wrote:
fightinfrenchman wrote:
Horsemen wrote:Imagine fightinfrenchman being your dad
If I ever got someone pregnant I would kill myself instantly
maybe it's better that left-wingers don't reproduce
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Gotta build up that indoctrinated population like the Catholics.
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“There can be no keener revelation of a society’s soul than the way in which it treats its children.”
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“Children are our most valuable resource.”
— Herbert Hoover, 31st President of the United States

“Children are one third of our population and all of our future.”
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“It's the greatest poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”
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Well fostered children are very important which is why the option to abort is good.

It's not hard to play with children if you have 2 dart guns.

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